Do you know any suitable solution for the dependency issue? If not, what is the advantage of having the wizard in PDE while the tools are not? And again: If we move the tools to PDE, we cut off all existing committers, even if many of them are not active.
Best Regards Jonas Am 01.08.2014 10:26, schrieb Lars Vogel: + I plan to integrate the e4 wizard into the PDE wizard. Awesome if you could bring the model editor also to PDE. Am 31.07.2014 18:24 schrieb "Jonas Helming" <jonas.helm...@googlemail.com>: > Hi, > > the last issue (emf.edit dependency) seems to be hard to resolve. I > therefore suggest the following as a pragmatic solution: > > 1. We do the checkpoint build now, which is compatible with Luna. As there > were no blocking issues, are we ready to go? @Paul: Could you trigger this? > 2. We configure a tycho build producing an update site for the core e4 > tools only (I would do this) > 3. We get the e4 tools (only the editor) on board of Mars (I would take > care of this) > > Are there any objections, opinions? > > Best Regards > > Jonas > > > Am 30.07.2014 14:25, schrieb Lars Vogel: > > > @Lars: In general I would love, if the tools are moved to PDE and > thereby become part of Mars. If you need any help, please let me know. > > Any work here is welcome. For example you or someone else could work on > https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=428375 to integrate the > model editor into PDE. > > IMHO the real issue is that most of our committers are inactive, see > https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/eclipse.e4/who > > Best regards, Lars > > > > > 2014-07-30 14:18 GMT+02:00 Jonas Helming <jonas.helm...@googlemail.com>: > >> AFAIK, it is not possible to produce releases from an incubation >> project. SWTBot is according to the website and the projects list a mature >> project. >> >> As stated before, I would be able to spend effort on this item. >> @Lars: In general I would love, if the tools are moved to PDE and thereby >> become part of Mars. If you need any help, please let me know. >> However, when we dicussed this possibility over one year ago, there was >> the concern, that it is not so easy anymore for the existing e4 committers >> to work on the tools unless they all become committer, which in turn the >> PDE team might not like. >> >> >> Am 30.07.2014 13:57, schrieb Sopot Çela: >> >> I'm not sure what all the projects in Eclipse do but >> http://wiki.eclipse.org/Development_Resources/HOWTO/Incubation_Phase >> clearly states you're not supposed to have N.x release where N>0 while >> you're in incubation. CC'ed Wayne for comments. >> >> Sopot >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Olivier Prouvost < >> olivier.prouv...@opcoach.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Being an incubation project does not really exclude to produce a 1.0 >>> release… SWTBot is a 2.2.1 and is developed as an incubation project… So >>> having a e4 tools 1.0 is possible... >>> >>> I think that creating a new project will not really change the >>> result.. But changing the way to work on it probably… >>> >>> As Lars said, we work on this project on our spare time. This is the >>> life of this kind of project. No problem about that for me. We try to do >>> our best to achieve a good product. But even if we do our best, a direction >>> must be defined more clearly. Today bugs are opened more for personal >>> reasons (i would like to see this like this) or for urgency, rather than >>> for global or strategical reasons. May be some bugs could be identified as >>> ‘strategic' and they would open a discussion about it… We could may be >>> schedule 2 or 3 strategic bugs per release ? And in our bugzilla queries we >>> could have them as a common goal besides our personal bugs. >>> >>> Something that could be more efficient also, would be to schedule a >>> real physical meeting during each eclipse con since we are almost all >>> attending. We could prepare a set of issues to be discussed… Today this >>> kind of meeting is hold by BOF where the subjects are not really defined >>> and the BOF itself is organized if we want/think to organize it (during >>> last Econ US I asked for one but it was not really scheduled). >>> >>> As Jonas said, the discussion about the dialogs in model has been done >>> a year ago, but it must continue to know what we can do with it… The new >>> discussion could be in one of the issues of this meeting after speaking >>> about it on mailing list... >>> >>> And to finish, integrating E4 stuff in the mars PDE would be probably >>> a good idea >>> >>> Regards >>> Olivier >>> >>> >>> >>> Le 30 juil. 2014 à 13:11, Lars Vogel <lars.vo...@gmail.com> a écrit : >>> >>> About a new e4 tools project? I think that is not necessary, we could >>> graduate e4 tools also from the existing project. The issue IMHO is that >>> that we need a new project but that no one does real work on this item at >>> the moment. >>> >>> FYI - I plan to integrate the e4 project wizard for Mars into PDE. >>> >>> Best regards, Lars >>> >>> >>> 2014-07-30 11:08 GMT+02:00 Jonas Helming <jonas.helm...@googlemail.com>: >>> >>>> Any comments on this? >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 25.07.2014 14 <25.07.2014%2014>:04, schrieb Jonas Helming: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> The second issue has been discussed a year ago with no result. But I >>>> agree that having the tools in an incubation state and additionally not in >>>> the release train is bad for the adoption. As the e4 project is an >>>> incubation project, it cannot produce 1.0 releases. The options were to >>>> move them to PDE or the platform, but there was never a conclusion to this. >>>> I would like to suggest a third solution: create a new e4 tools >>>> project. This would enable us to graduate the e4 tools easily, keep all >>>> existing (and interested) comitters and join the release train. >>>> I would be willing to drive this, if everybody agrees. >>>> >>>> Best Regards >>>> >>>> Jonas >>>> >>>> Am 25.07.2014 13 <25.07.2014%2013>:14, schrieb Olivier Prouvost: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I am on holidays and cannot test the new release... >>>> >>>> Some remarks anyway : >>>> >>>> As tom said, I think the dialogs/windows node is really confusing and >>>> dialogs are not usable as it is today. It would be really interesting to >>>> start a new discussion on this topic as soon as possible to find together >>>> an operational and efficient solution. It should probably not appear as it >>>> is now in the stable version.. >>>> >>>> Another remark concerns the release number .. Are the e4 platform and >>>> tools always considered as incubation projects ? In this case industry will >>>> not adopt it easily.. It is really the moment to have a 1.0 e4 tools >>>> version. I know it is psychological but it is important. >>>> >>>> For input parts I don ´t remeber the discussion which led to their >>>> deprecation. But AFAIK it would be possible to find them by annotation >>>> analysis (input part is a part having a method @Persist) ? This could be a >>>> new api on partservice to get them ? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Olivier >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 25 juil. 2014 à 12:58, Sopot Çela <sopotc...@gmail.com> a écrit : >>>> >>>> I did some testing and I think we can 'release' this. We can address >>>> Tom's concerns along the way. I tested also the live editor and did not >>>> notice any freezing. >>>> >>>> Sopot >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Tom Schindl < >>>> tom.schi...@bestsolution.at> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> The editor currently allows to add dialogs & wizards who are >>>>> provisional >>>>> APIs, shouldn't the tooling show this to the user? >>>>> >>>>> Same goes for InputPart which is marked as deprecated - although I >>>>> voted >>>>> against that deprecation - and should be shown like this! >>>>> >>>>> I also just fixed a minor problem with CompositePart part which now >>>>> allows you to set the title, icon, ... . >>>>> >>>>> Tom >>>>> >>>>> On 23.07.14 18:00, Lars Vogel wrote: >>>>> > It is not yet solved, but Steven found a workaround. I recently >>>>> noticed >>>>> > that keybinding for cut and paste are also not working. I think we >>>>> need >>>>> > to fix that least the keybinding thing. I plan to look at that next >>>>> week >>>>> > (if no one else fixes it before that). >>>>> > >>>>> > Best regards, Lars >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > 2014-07-22 15:59 GMT+02:00 Paul Webster < >>>>> pwebs...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca >>>>> > <mailto:pwebs...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca>>: >>>>> > >>>>> > On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 4:46 AM, Lars Vogel < >>>>> lars.vo...@gmail.com >>>>> > <mailto:lars.vo...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Hi, >>>>> > >>>>> > I gave the e4 tools a quick test and if I open the "Live >>>>> model >>>>> > editor" the IDE freezes (reacts very slowly). Can someone >>>>> retest? >>>>> > >>>>> > Bug report: >>>>> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=439511 >>>>> > I think we should wait with publishing the tools to the >>>>> market >>>>> > place until this is fixed. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > What's the status of this? It's holding up our 0.16 stable >>>>> checkpoint. >>>>> > >>>>> > Later, >>>>> > Paul >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > Paul Webster >>>>> > Hi floor. 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