-------------- Original message from Elizabeth Leger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 
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 "If I measure 90-99% cover of exotic species in a system (totally the 
 norm in California's central valley grasslands), I'm not supposed to be 
 upset about the impacts of invasive species impacts because there 
 haven't been any local extinctions? That makes no sense. 
 
 Beth" 

I don't think anyone here has been saying that the impact of invasives is not 
important regardless of their role in extinctions.  However, if you are 
measuring 90 to 99% cover of exotics in an ecosystem, at the very least some 
species must be threatened or endangered - both plant species who are crowded 
out by exotics and animal species which depend upon native species for food and 
shelter.  The presence of invasives is becoming so universal that they are 
occupying growing percentages of available habitat.

In addition to the folks at Smithsonian, the Fish and Wildlife Service, the 
National Park Service, the Forest Service, The Nature Conservancy, and many 
others must have data and publications about the impact of invasive exotics.  
Those groups have collaborated in the publication of popular materials on 
invasive exotics and acceptable substitute native species.   As I recall these 
publications have extensive bibliographies.  I will try to post references to 
them tomorrow or Thursday.

Bob Mowbray   


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Tropical Forest Ecologist 
Natural Resource Managment Specialist 
Reston, VA 

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