Bellsouth.net is an ISP. Bellsouth.net is not my company and just happens to be my
ISP for my dial-up email access instead of for example mindspring.com or aol.com.
As of yet I do not host an in house Internet Server (I have an Intranet server with
Windows 2000 Server and IIS 5.0). When I put it on-line I will set it up just like
this. I will put my money where my mouth is and hook up all this Windows DNA stuff I
am talking about including EDI, B2B, and B2C. I am independent incorporated
contractor so this of course will be in my spare time unless a client hires me to put
it all together for them.
Enjoyed conversing with you. I'll keep it to content from now on.
-RD
At Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:49:23 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Sorry folks.
>I *really was* going to let this go.
>Now it's the end of a long day and I just couldn't .. well you decide .
>
>HEY RICHARD ... since you want to talk about web sites instead of EDI, is
>it true www.bellsouth.net is running Netscape-Enterprise/3.6 SP3 on Solaris
>
>http://www.netcraft.com/whats/?host=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bellsouth.net says you
>do ..
>
>eh'm ..
>anyway back to regularily scheduled EDI and this newslist ..
>
>
>Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard Druckenmiller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 10:08 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: XML Mapper
>
>
>I can only assume that you work for nordstrom.com based on your email
>address. Did you know your site (www.nordstrom.com) uses
>Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windows 2000? I am not sure what the best solution
>is for cleaning coffee of your keyboard after you spit it up on your
>screen. Reminds me of the tower fly by scene in the movie Top Gun.
>It's all down hill below from here my friend:
>
>
>"Welsh, David" wrote:
>>
>> sorry, but I couldn't resist this morning :
>> 1. if I may be so bold on Rachel's part, her point seems to be you can
>only
>> go to Microsoft for BizTalk. Isn't this why Dept of Justice is trying to
>> bust us MS ?
>
>I did not understand your question - MS is being tried because they
>don't offer more than one solution?!? What does the MS Antitrust case
>have anything to do with how bad/good their technology is??? I thought
>that Clinton/Gore's Dept of Justice just hated success. Your and my
>opinion of 125 year old Sherman Antitrust law is no better or worse than
>Thomas P. Jackson's - it's just that he is in a position of authority
>over this case and we are not.
>
>
>> 2. re. Amazon.com, they're one of the most fervant Unix shops anywhere,
>> particularily on the store front and back store ops. MS isn't even a heavy
>> word in their IT vocabulary. I don't even think they use MS Exchange.
>
>I did NOT say they did use MS technology. My point was that someone
>with a technology that can adapt more quickly than their competitor will
>win. BTW, these sites use MS technology buy.com, uBid.com,
>OfficeDepot.com, Nasdaq.com, ESPN.com, AskJeeves.com, EddieBauer.com,
>Dell.com, and Monster.com.
>
>
>> 3. "MS lightyears ahead of the crowd with DNA", .. eh'm ... well if you
>> could substantiate that against other concepts (something like comparing
>> apples and oranges maybe) then I think you're up against some pretty deep
>> discussion.
>> 4. isn't Biztalk just Beta and not scheduled to come production for
>another
>> year ?? Do you like playing with such raw code, something even MS doesn't
>> say is street production ready ?
>
>Price you pay of being on the cutting edge. Effective change is brought
>about by those willing to stick their neck out.
>
>
>> 5. a browser (for a human being) is your idea of a thin client !??
>> Application integration ? Sorry but I thought we were discussing EDI ?
>> 6. contests ?? OK, let's see MS play inside of an ebXML Proof of Concept
>> since the rest of the world is looking that way.
>>
>I'd be leery of anything that came out of the UN and what the "rest of
>the world" is doing.
>
>
>> Time for my morning coffee.
>>
>I'v already jagged you once about coffee - although tempting..won't do
>it again.
>
>-RD
>
>
>> Dave
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Richard Druckenmiller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:11 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: XML Mapper
>>
>> The original question did not specify it had to be platform
>> independent. Biztalk does not require IIS. It only runs on Windows
>> 2000 Server. It is a service like IIS. Biztalk will become a part of
>> Back Office similar to IIS and Exchange.
>>
>> I'll assume one of your "strong holds" about a mapper is platform
>> independence. Platform independence is "markettechture". I am a
>> Mercator expert and I have never had the need to port or develop a map
>> that would run concurrently on Unix, DOS, Windows, Linux, blah, blah,
>> blah. As a sidebar I would only be hindering myself as a corporation by
>> having this hodge podge - that is if I cared about competition. IMHO -
>> if you are one of these companies who has a hodge podge of OS' around
>> then someone with Windows DNA is going to eat your supply chain's
>> lunch. This is epitomized by Amazon.com over taking the Book Industry
>> overnight. Their competitors can't turn on a dime because of their
>> hodge podge non-distributed infrastructure.
>>
>> Furthermore, Microsoft is light years ahead of the crowd with their
>> Windows DNA architecture, of which Biztalk and XML play a small integral
>> part and includes Visual Studio.net, while others are still plumbing and
>> fumbling around on the Net with Java (I personally like to code but not
>> 50 lines to 1 - law of diminishing returns you know). Biztalk is also a
>> client that is a COM compliant object that sits in my registry on
>> Windows 9x/2000 clients. I can call Biztalk's properties and methods
>> from with Internet Explorer (IE), pass XML over the wire, and not even
>> open Biztalk, and I ain't paying $50,000+ bucks to do so. Furthermore,
>> I can use Biztalk Server to send/receive/map X12 and EDIFACT. COM
>> compliance is about designing your application with an API into it out
>> of the box - not as an after thought.
>>
>> IE is THE thin client. What Larry Ellison and dumpster diving entourage
>> are trying to do with Thin Client, Microsoft has been doing with IE for
>> years. Besides why buy a terminal that you can't play games on?
>>
>> Let's have a contest: develop and Windows DNA B2B and B2C website vs.
>> whatever other cruft is out there. I'll use the Microsoft suite of dev
>> tools and we will judge it on time to market, price and performance.
>>
>> Hope this starts a religious discussion - I'm kind of sick of this
>> sluggish IT economy, especially here in Atlanta.
>>
>> Thus saith the Lord Gates,
>> -RD
>>
>> Rachel Foerster wrote:
>> >
>> > Richard,
>> >
>> > I may be mistaken, but doesn't Biztalk have to run under IIS? It's
>> > certainly not platform independent.
>> >
>> > Rachel
>> >
>> > I would consider Biztalk. Download the beta for free at
>> > http://www.microsoft.com/biztalk/.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Richard Druckenmiller
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >
>> > Mike Mueller wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Greetings -
>> > >
>> > > We are in need of a tool that can map XML to a segmented-fixed flat
>> > file format
>> > > (that is, multiple records but each record can have a different
>> > number of
>> > > fields). We don't necessarily need an all inclusive any-to-any
>> > mapper, just
>> > > something that can map. The ideal product would be able to import a
>> > DTD or
>> > > schema and create a document tree from which you could map. Is
>> > anyone aware of
>> > > such a tool? All answers appreciated !!
>> > >
>> > > Mike Mueller
>> > > MGIC
>> > >
>> > >
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