David,
Thanks. You've said it far more eloquently that I could have.
Personally re MS and ebXML I'm very dismayed that MS has chosen not to
participate, even after a personal on-site visit and invitation from
the ebXML Exeuctive Committee. There are many opportunities to provide
competitive products and services in the electronic commerce space.
However, there has to be a standard base on which all can build, and I
believe that ebXML can provide that for the XML-based information
exchanges. It's just disappointing that MS won't join us in this
effort.
Rachel
sorry, but I couldn't resist this morning :
1. if I may be so bold on Rachel's part, her point seems to be you can
only
go to Microsoft for BizTalk. Isn't this why Dept of Justice is trying
to
bust us MS ?
2. re. Amazon.com, they're one of the most fervant Unix shops
anywhere,
particularily on the store front and back store ops. MS isn't even a
heavy
word in their IT vocabulary. I don't even think they use MS Exchange.
3. "MS lightyears ahead of the crowd with DNA", ... eh'm ..... well if
you
could substantiate that against other concepts (something like
comparing
apples and oranges maybe) then I think you're up against some pretty
deep
discussion.
4. isn't Biztalk just Beta and not scheduled to come production for
another
year ?? Do you like playing with such raw code, something even MS
doesn't
say is street production ready ?
5. a browser (for a human being) is your idea of a thin client !??
Application integration ? Sorry but I thought we were discussing EDI ?
6. contests ?? OK, let's see MS play inside of an ebXML Proof of
Concept
since the rest of the world is looking that way.
Time for my morning coffee.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Druckenmiller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:11 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: XML Mapper
The original question did not specify it had to be platform
independent. Biztalk does not require IIS. It only runs on Windows
2000 Server. It is a service like IIS. Biztalk will become a part of
Back Office similar to IIS and Exchange.
I'll assume one of your "strong holds" about a mapper is platform
independence. Platform independence is "markettechture". I am a
Mercator expert and I have never had the need to port or develop a map
that would run concurrently on Unix, DOS, Windows, Linux, blah, blah,
blah. As a sidebar I would only be hindering myself as a corporation
by
having this hodge podge - that is if I cared about competition.
IMHO -
if you are one of these companies who has a hodge podge of OS' around
then someone with Windows DNA is going to eat your supply chain's
lunch. This is epitomized by Amazon.com over taking the Book Industry
overnight. Their competitors can't turn on a dime because of their
hodge podge non-distributed infrastructure.
Furthermore, Microsoft is light years ahead of the crowd with their
Windows DNA architecture, of which Biztalk and XML play a small
integral
part and includes Visual Studio.net, while others are still plumbing
and
fumbling around on the Net with Java (I personally like to code but
not
50 lines to 1 - law of diminishing returns you know). Biztalk is also
a
client that is a COM compliant object that sits in my registry on
Windows 9x/2000 clients. I can call Biztalk's properties and methods
from with Internet Explorer (IE), pass XML over the wire, and not even
open Biztalk, and I ain't paying $50,000+ bucks to do so.
Furthermore,
I can use Biztalk Server to send/receive/map X12 and EDIFACT. COM
compliance is about designing your application with an API into it out
of the box - not as an after thought.
IE is THE thin client. What Larry Ellison and dumpster diving
entourage
are trying to do with Thin Client, Microsoft has been doing with IE
for
years. Besides why buy a terminal that you can't play games on?
Let's have a contest: develop and Windows DNA B2B and B2C website vs.
whatever other cruft is out there. I'll use the Microsoft suite of
dev
tools and we will judge it on time to market, price and performance.
Hope this starts a religious discussion - I'm kind of sick of this
sluggish IT economy, especially here in Atlanta.
Thus saith the Lord Gates,
-RD
Rachel Foerster wrote:
>
> Richard,
>
> I may be mistaken, but doesn't Biztalk have to run under IIS? It's
> certainly not platform independent.
>
> Rachel
>
> I would consider Biztalk. Download the beta for free at
> http://www.microsoft.com/biztalk/.
>
> --
> Richard Druckenmiller
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Mike Mueller wrote:
> >
> > Greetings -
> >
> > We are in need of a tool that can map XML to a segmented-fixed
flat
> file format
> > (that is, multiple records but each record can have a different
> number of
> > fields). We don't necessarily need an all inclusive any-to-any
> mapper, just
> > something that can map. The ideal product would be able to import
a
> DTD or
> > schema and create a document tree from which you could map. Is
> anyone aware of
> > such a tool? All answers appreciated !!
> >
> > Mike Mueller
> > MGIC
> >
> >
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