Paul,
Thanks. I happen to concur with your comments and conclusions. I've
never contended that XML is better than EDI, nor that EDI is easy,
cheap and fun. There are extremely high barriers of entry for the
small to medium size organization to effectively implement and use an
integrated EDI approach. As even if these barriers are scaled, the
business benefit is not there from a pure cost/benefit perspective. I
don't see these barriers being removed any time soon, if ever, by
replacing EDI with XML formatted business data.
On the other hand, XML is rapidly claiming mindspace and
marketspace....space that traditional EDI never did and never will
occupy. The Internet and the Web are the drivers here. So, for better
or worse, I agree, XML will become ubiquitous. I hope that eventually
XML will be a mechanism for driving process improvements, both within
and betweeen organizations, since process improvements supported
and/or enabled by information technology always has been and will
continue to be the source of business benefit and competitive
opportunities. It never was and won't be a technology decision, but
rather, a business strategy first....the technology follows. I've been
beating this drum for over 10 years, but sadly, those who are making
the spending decisions still believe there are silver bullets, holy
grails and 90-day miracles!
Rachel
Rachel wrote:
| Paul,
|
| I'm curious. By pap do you mean that the proof-of-concept didn't
| actually take place? or that it didn't work? of that the companies
who
etc.
No, my only point was that the link in your message seemed to contain
only
some very vague, flowery marketing bumph - I bailed out after a few
paragraphs.
I happen to think XML will do extremely well - not necessarily as a
replacement for EDI but certainly in a myriad of other applications.
The
fact is, standardized, self-describing documents are very powerful. In
addition to simply being displayed, they can be processed! As a
programmer,
that is nirvana. In order for them to be processed we need standards.
Companies can relatively quickly set up internal standards and then
take
advantage of XML tools to start reaping the benefits of Enterprise
Application Integration. Our particular beastie, inter-company
standards,
will of course take much, much longer.
Now, one may say, "Standardized, self-describing documents" that's
EDI. Why
do we need XML ? Good question and one that I much enjoy seeing the
technical merits debated. It is my belief that XML is dwarfing EDI
simply
because XML is viewed as an Internet protocol, therefore it will
become
ubiquitous, therefore tons of money will be invested by tons of
companies.
Of course there will be major shakeouts and consolidation down the
line but
the immediate effect is to have this tsunami washing ashore and
leaving a
lot of things in its wake - including, perhaps, our beloved EDI.
Regards,
Paul
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rachel Foerster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: ebXML Passes Critical Interoperability Milestone
| Paul,
|
| I'm curious. By pap do you mean that the proof-of-concept didn't
| actually take place? or that it didn't work? of that the companies
who
| participated in it are bogus? of that the ebXML specifications that
| were used in the POC don't exist? Or, do you just not like anything
to
| do with XML? or what?
|
| I don't believe that Ken intimated the ebXML POC was pap. He just
did
| what he does extremely well....made a couple of cogent observations
| and then posed some very important questions and challenges that as
| yet have not been answered...and this is after a couple of years or
| more of posing these questions.
|
| So....how does your assertion of so much pap further any intelligent
| discussion as to pros/cons, what's real and what's bogus?
|
| Happy Holidays!
|
| Rachel
|
|
| For once I agree with Ken. That was so much pap ....
|
| Regards,
| Paul
|
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|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Ken Steel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:50 AM
| Subject: Re: ebXML Passes Critical Interoperability Milestone
|
|
| | > Rachel Foerster wrote:
| | >
| | > [Image]
| | > To in San Francisco the ebXML initiative conducted a major
| | > proof-of-concept clearly demonstrating the interoperability of
the
| | > framework specifications being developed.
| | >
| | > You can read the press releases about the details on this major
| | > milestone and information about the announcement for an early
| release
| | > of the ebXML framework specificiations at
| | > http://www.rfa-edi.com/ebxml_initiative.htm
| |
| |
| | All vendors and consultants, I note.
| |
| | Where are the end user testimonials?
| |
| | Is a report on a "test" by vested interests really a "proof of
| | concept"? What was tested? What did it prove (omitting the hype)?
| |
| | Why call it a "major milestone"? Is it really any advance on the
| | euphemisms of the last 4 years? If so, please explain.
| |
| | Why not dump the rhetoric and put in a few details like where the
| | benefits are for end users?
| |
| |
| |
| | --
| | Ken Steel
| | ICARIS Services Amsterdam - Melbourne
| | - Silicon Valley
| | Research results: http://www.icaris.net/
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