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From: Electronic Data Interchange Issues [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Dwight Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 11:28 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Location Systems ( was Walmart shipping information)
Jim
But how much will it cost a user to be forced to go to UCCNet to retrieve
the GLN plus address information? I am sure that the UCC does not have
plans to make the 816's available to anyone for free.
[James D. Sykes II] - There is a subscription fee for all subscribers. This
fee is based on our cost recovery model. UCCnet is a neutral not for profit
organization. The fee is based on revenue of the subscriber. The lowest
tier is $1,500 / year for organizations up to 100 Million. The method of
data exchange is XML. This includes GTIN and GLN registry as well as the
trading partner capabilities registry.
And how often does one have to go out to get the data? Then instead of
having to keep one database current (the senders) you have to maintain a
minimum of 4 databases and keep them in sync all of the time, the sender,
the repository, the transportation carrier, and the receiver. And everyone
has to keep their databases current and has to keep checking with either the
sender or the repository to see if any changes have been made.
All this to save sending some data from the owner of the data?
[James D. Sykes II] The key is data synchronization, which has not been
achieved in the CPG industry to any great extent. UCCnet serves as the
trusted authority for base item data and its distributed architecture links
to the source of other item data. When one considers the time and resources
needed to resolve invoice and shipping discrepancies arising from item data
in the trading partners systems (both within and outside the enterprise) the
cost savings can approach 30%. We have the numbers to prove that. The
synchronization occurs via UCCnet's publication / subscription mechanism.
Now this would not be too bad if it weren't for the fact that every industry
has its own "GLN". So if you cross industries, like transportation, you
have to maintain multiple files with multiple location codes. And the same
location can have multiple codes assigned to it.
[James D. Sykes II] While not all industries utilize the GLN, the 23
industries that UCC serve do, or are planning to use. UCCnet is not out to
change the world; just 23 industries. Eventually users in cross industries
may demand interoperability. When that occurs UCCnet will work with others
in any industry to solve the problem.
And, by the way, how many digits in the GLN? The same as a DUNS+4?
[James D. Sykes II] The GLN is 13 digits managed in a similar manner as the
GTIN; it is not the same structure as the DUN+4.
To learn more about the system attend one of our orientation sessions, which
are open to anyone. The schedule can be found at http://www.uccnet.org. In
addition there are several articles referenced under NEWS which will provide
additional perspectives.
Dwight
>From: James Sykes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Location Systems ( was Walmart shipping information)
>Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:04:42 -0400
>
>Bill,
> It is not a universal truth that the GLN cost something. While it is
>recognized that some EAN Member Organizations (MOs) do charge for a GLN,
>within the US if an organization already has a manufacture's prefix for
>assigning U.P.C.s then that same prefix can be used for the assignment of
>GLNs. There is no collision with the U.P.C.'s because there is always a
>different qualifier for GLN. In addition most retailers within the US
>already have a company prefix for private label items.
>
>Although there are no hard and fast rules for the methodology employed to
>create the GLN, an organization with a company prefix can simple use their
>existing internal number coupled with the company prefix to create the GLN.
>With that a large company can create up to 10,0000 location codes. Lease
>note there is an assumption that the internal number is completely numeric,
>since the GLN is numeric.
>
>Within UCCnet we are looking at the location codes for physical locations,
>stores, warehouses, docks, etc. These GLNs are registered in the
>GLOBALregistry(tm) along with their relationship with each other. This can
>also be sent via a X12 816 like some retailers are doing today.
>
>Within the global registry system these GLNs can be published to trade
>partners through the UCCnet publication / subscription mechanism in a
>similar fashion as the GTIN (Global Trade Identification Number).
>
>You can find out more at http://www.uccnet.org
>
>We are in the process of defining the interoperability of the various
>country catalogues within the EAN•UCC system. We have commitments from
>Canada, Germany, Mexico, Australia, and Switzerland at this time and are
>working with service providers of several other country catalogues which
>will be announced soon. This will create a global system of registry
>services and data synchronization, which is the keystone of all
>collaborative commerce. We are also working with various exchanges and
>user
>organizations such as VICS and the Global Commerce Initiative (GCI).
>
>All of this is public knowledge and readily available.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>James D. Sykes II
>Product Management
>UCCnet(r), Inc.
>1009 Lenox Dr, Suite 115
>Lawrenceville, NJ, 08648
>
>E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Tel: 01.609.620.4653
>Cell: 01.510.502.3333
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: Electronic Data Interchange Issues [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>On Behalf Of William J. Kammerer
>Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 6:46 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Location Systems ( was Walmart shipping information)
>
>Paul Wakelam, of Robert Bosch (Australia) Pty. Ltd., wrote in with his
>"top 10 reasons for being on the EDI list," which included me in the No.
>1 spot. I am flattered, indeed. I hope that somehow translates into
>people buying my stuff, like EDISIM and TradeSite. While we're on the
>subject of Paul's list, just who is this "Daisy Faropoll"? I love the
>name, but I don't recall her ever writing in.
>
>Paul's EC question for the day is "Which location system is winning in
>the United States of America? Is it GLN...or DUNS? What are the
>perceived advantages and disadvantages?"
>
>Dear Paul:
>
>The hands-down winner in the U.S.A. is Dun & Bradstreet's Data Universal
>Numbering System (D-U-N-S), described at
>http://www.dnb.com/dunsno/dunsno.htm. Its advantage is that it's
>*free* - as a matter of fact, you actually have to work to avoid getting
>one of their numbers, as Dun & Bradstreet makes it their business to
>mind everyone else' business: practically every business in the U.S.
>has one, whether they want it or not. A DUNS+4 is simply a self
>assigned location number, where the first 9 digits is your D-U-N-S and
>the last 4 are whatever digits *you* want to assign to an internal
>location. You can look up a D-U-N-S by selecting "Get your own D&B
>D-U-N-S Number-free!" at the D & B website; alternatively, you can
>search on Lycos' Companies Online at http://www.companiesonline.com.
>
>The UCC/EAN Global Location Number (GLN) is described in a FAQ in the
>UCC Reference Library at http://www.uc-council.org/ - select "ID Numbers
>and Bar Codes," then "Reference Library." U.S. company lookups will
>someday be available at UCCNet; in the meantime, you can verify GLNs
>assigned in some European countries using the Global EAN Party
>Information Register at http://www.gepir.org/.
>
>The main disadvantage of the UCC/EAN GLN vis-à-vis the D-U-N-S is that
>the GLN costs money - you have to seek out the UCC and apply for
>membership, paying for the privilege of getting a number. Even U.S.
>retailers and grocery store chains who are members of UCC/EAN tend to
>prefer DUNS+4 over GLNs for identifying internal locations; or did: Bill
>O'Brien told us on Friday that Wal-Mart is switching from DUNS+4 to the
>GLN. But if it means anything, the only means of identifying parties
>within RosettaNet is the D-U-N-S (even though UCC/EAN GTINs are used to
>identify products).
>
>William J. Kammerer
>FORESIGHT Corp.
>4950 Blazer Pkwy.
>Dublin, OH USA 43017-3305
>+1 614 791-1600
>
>Visit FORESIGHT Corp. at http://www.foresightcorp.com/
>"accelerating time-to-trade"
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