Just thought you'd like to read the latest bs response from Drummond to the 
current discussion regarding the need for AS2 certification.

Get out your shovels and sand bags, 'cause here come a real tidal wave.

It just amazes me how critical it is to have certified interoperability of the 
AS2 transport medium when we've been getting along just fine for years without 
certification of any of the other transport media we use in EDI, like dial-up 
modem (still around!) and ftp software.

And it further amazes me that the message/content/pay-load/whatever you want to 
call the information being transported that is critical to keeping the two 
trading partners' business running (oh..like purchase orders and invoices for 
starters) get thru just fine day-afater-day and year-after-year  without any 
certification whatsoever, once they're tested by the two trading partners 
involved, which we've been doing successfully for years.

All we need is one responsible 800-lb gorilla to call a spade a spade and a 
hoax a hoax to get the rest of the gorillas to come to the aid of their vendors 
and remove this outrageous and unnecessarily costly expense that the 
certification requirement adds to the cost of doing business via EDI.

And, by the way, there's nothing wrong whatsoever with the functionality of 
open source software in general (linux?).  It's primay limitation is that 
technical support is not always available on a reliable basis either for free 
or even for a price, and most businesses want to ensure the availability of 
competent technical support.

Flames are welcome.

imho, ymmv,

Dave Taylor
Sysmark Information Systems, Inc.
49 Aspen Way
Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274
(O) 800-SYSMARK (800-797-6275)
(F) 310-377-3550
(C) 310-561-5200
www.sysmarkinfo.com

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                        Your Guide to Interoperability and Conformance Testing  
September 2008  
                 
                             
                              Commentary:  Open Source Does Not Guarantee 
Interoperability


                             
                              The open source or free software movement has 
been in existence for over 25 years.  During that time, a number of open source 
projects have moved beyond a mere cultural movement and into a more mainstream 
class of adoption, creating software applications free for implementation and 
modification.  These applications included well known and widely used products 
such as the Linux operating system, the Firefox browser and the Apache web 
server.  Open source projects for B2B applications of AS2, ebMS and XML are 
also active and available.

                              Open source software has advantages over 
commercial, off-the-shelf (COTS) software.  The largest advantage is, of 
course, the price.  The ability to inspect and even modify the code for a 
deployment's particular needs can also be of great benefit.  For some 
situations, open source software is a viable alternative to commercial 
offerings.

                              However, in the area of inteorperability, open 
source B2B products do not have an advantage over COTS products.  For B2B 
applications, interoperability with trading partners is crucial.  A product 
must not only work as described in its feature set, but it must also work with 
the B2B products deployed by your trading partners.  Message exchanges, like in 
AS2, are only worthwhile and of value if both parties can properly interpret 
and understand the content and instructions of the exchange.

                              With respect to interoperability, open source 
software has the same limitations as COTS software because, just like its 
commercial counterparts, it too is a software application.  It takes very 
little divergence in two software projects to break interoperability.  Even if 
a software project is believed conformant to the underlying specification, the 
foundational underpinnings like security toolkits, operating systems, and 
deployment environments can render it non-interoperable with other products.  
B2B interaction requires a very tight agreement among partners with the 
alternative being a risk to breaking interoperability.   No matter how many 
sets of eyes have looked over open source code, you won't get the guarantee 
that other products, open source or COTS, will be interoperable.

                              For B2B applications, full matrix testing and 
certification programs are necessary to identify and resolve all the 
interoperability problems.  In Drummond Group test rounds, open source products 
and COTS that are built using open source code have participated and been 
certified.  As with all the other products, they find problems that require 
debugging and code changes to be interoperable with the group.  Open source 
software can be a great choice, but it does not guarantee interoperability.

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