Dave Of course they don't mention that Drummond Certification is not a guarantee of interoperability either ;-(
I was not able to setup an AS2 connection with Target using 2 different DGI certified products. I was told it would work when/if Target upgraded their AS2 software to the next version up... (You can look in the archives for the problems we had..) Once DGI certification is not required, then there would be a business opportunity to support OpenAS2 for clients who want to pay for commercial support. To: <[email protected]> From: "Dave Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date sent: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:18:15 -0700 Subject: [EDI-L] Fw: News from Drummond Group Inc. with Added Commentary > Just thought you'd like to read the latest bs response from Drummond to the > current discussion regarding the need for AS2 certification. > > Get out your shovels and sand bags, 'cause here come a real tidal wave. > > It just amazes me how critical it is to have certified interoperability of > the AS2 transport medium when we've been getting along just fine for years > without certification of any of the other transport media we use in EDI, like > dial-up modem (still around!) and ftp software. > > And it further amazes me that the message/content/pay-load/whatever you want > to call the information being transported that is critical to keeping the two > trading partners' business running (oh..like purchase orders and invoices for > starters) get thru just fine day-afater-day and year-after-year without any > certification whatsoever, once they're tested by the two trading partners > involved, which we've been doing successfully for years. > > All we need is one responsible 800-lb gorilla to call a spade a spade and a > hoax a hoax to get the rest of the gorillas to come to the aid of their > vendors and remove this outrageous and unnecessarily costly expense that the > certification requirement adds to the cost of doing business via EDI. > > And, by the way, there's nothing wrong whatsoever with the > functionality of open source software in general (linux?). It's > primay limitation is that technical support is not always available on > a reliable basis either for free or even for a price, and most > businesses want to ensure the availability of competent technical > support. > > Flames are welcome. > > imho, ymmv, > > Dave Taylor > Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. > 49 Aspen Way > Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274 > (O) 800-SYSMARK (800-797-6275) > (F) 310-377-3550 > (C) 310-561-5200 > www.sysmarkinfo.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Drummond Group > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:32 PM > Subject: News from Drummond Group Inc. > > > DGI UPDATE > > > Your Guide to Interoperability and Conformance > Testing September 2008 > > > Commentary: Open Source Does Not Guarantee > Interoperability > > > > The open source or free software movement has > been in existence for over 25 years. During that time, a number of open > source projects have moved beyond a mere cultural movement and into a more > mainstream class of adoption, creating software applications free for > implementation and modification. These applications included well known and > widely used products such as the Linux operating system, the Firefox browser > and the Apache web server. Open source projects for B2B applications of AS2, > ebMS and XML are also active and available. > > Open source software has advantages over > commercial, off-the-shelf (COTS) software. The largest advantage is, of > course, the price. The ability to inspect and even modify the code for a > deployment's particular needs can also be of great benefit. For some > situations, open source software is a viable alternative to commercial > offerings. > > However, in the area of inteorperability, open > source B2B products do not have an advantage over COTS products. For B2B > applications, interoperability with trading partners is crucial. A product > must not only work as described in its feature set, but it must also work > with the B2B products deployed by your trading partners. Message exchanges, > like in AS2, are only worthwhile and of value if both parties can properly > interpret and understand the content and instructions of the exchange. > > With respect to interoperability, open source > software has the same limitations as COTS software because, just like its > commercial counterparts, it too is a software application. It takes very > little divergence in two software projects to break interoperability. Even > if a software project is believed conformant to the underlying specification, > the foundational underpinnings like security toolkits, operating systems, and > deployment environments can render it non-interoperable with other products. > B2B interaction requires a very tight agreement among partners with the > alternative being a risk to breaking interoperability. No matter how many > sets of eyes have looked over open source code, you won't get the guarantee > that other products, open source or COTS, will be interoperable. > > For B2B applications, full matrix testing and > certification programs are necessary to identify and resolve all the > interoperability problems. In Drummond Group test rounds, open source > products and COTS that are built using open source code have participated and > been certified. As with all the other products, they find problems that > require debugging and code changes to be interoperable with the group. Open > source software can be a great choice, but it does not guarantee > interoperability. > > Comments? Send us email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Drummond Group Inc. (DGI), a global leader in > B2B software testing and certification, works with software vendors, industry > associations, supply chains and the standards community by conducting > interoperability and conformance testing on open standards, publishing > related strategic research and developing vertical industry strategies. > Founded in 1999, DGI has tested hundreds of international software products > used in vertical industries such as automotive, consumer product goods, > financial services, government, petroleum, pharmaceutical and retail. 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