The original question was increasing power from 10W to 20W on a K2 used as an 
"emergency communication source for serious backcountry trips (multi-day 
wilderness whitewater rafting, etc.)" That is not very similar to DXing or 
contesting. In that situation, you get a few dB by throwing your wire over a 
different tree, trying a different band, trying a different time of day, a 
different place in the canyon, and so on.

wunder
K6WRU

On Sep 27, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

> On 9/27/2013 12:37 PM, Vic K2VCO wrote:
>> This argument will never die.
> 
> As long as some of those doing the talking are ignorant of the facts, yes. :)
> 
>> I maintain that even ONE dB matters in this situation. 
> 
> And you are correct.  Here are the FACTS. The 6dB and 10 dB "rules of thumb" 
> are based on the FACT that a 6-10 dB change in the loudness of a sound that 
> is well above the background noise level will be perceived by the human 
> ear/brain as "twice as loud," or half as loud. The key words here are "well 
> above the background noise level."  This fact is quite well known from the 
> study of psychoacoustics (that is, how humans hear), and is related to the 
> fact that human hearing and  sight are logarithmic in their response to 
> loudness and brightness.
> 
> The FACTS are very different if the desired "signal" is close to the noise 
> level, or to the level of other sounds. In that situation, a change as little 
> as 1-2 dB can be VERY perceptible, and make the difference between hearing 
> and not hearing it.  One of the things I did professionally was mix sound for 
> live jazz performances. It wasn't long before I learned that changes of only 
> 2-2 dB in the balance between instruments was often the difference between 
> just right and not hearing one of them.
> 
> Most serious contesters and DXers fight for every dB in their stations. 
> Consider that the gain of the BEST 2-el beam over a dipole at the same height 
> is no more than 3-4 dB, and that adding another element typically adds 1 - 
> 1.5 dB. And that assumes that these are well designed, efficient antennas.  
> Those with traps are 1-3 dB less than that. Note that these are MEASURED 
> numbers, not advertising numbers, and are taken from documentation of an 
> excellent series of tests of a dozen or so tri-banders by N0AX and K7LXC 
> about 15 years ago.  Ward and Steve actually measured two big antennas with 
> negative gain as compared to a dipole. :)
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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