Well stated, Gary. But those who don't have a P3 could still benefit from a 
more overt split/non-split indication on the K3 itself. I'm going to try the 
method I proposed.

Wayne
N6KR

On Feb 18, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Gary Smith <g...@ka1j.com> wrote:

> It is the operator of the radio who must be in control of his 
> transmitter. When I go to a split operation I always set the K3 to do 
> that and I'm good to go. 
> 
> However what happens is I rarely make the Q right away and I I'll 
> click on another spot I need to see how that is coming in and with my 
> software, if there is a split frequency entered, the K3 will be put 
> in split as well (All is good). But, when going back to the first 
> frequency, unless I manually work the band switch to QSY to where I 
> first set up the split, clicking on a spot in the spot log will get 
> me there but if SPLIT wasn't in that info, I'll be back but not in 
> SPLIT. When I transmit I'll be dead on the DX.
> 
> If I had clicked on a spot on the same band, I may or may not have 
> had a SPLIT entered based on the info the spotter had left. So if 
> there was no SPLIT, then QSYing back to the first frequency, I'd 
> again have no SPLIT.
> 
> The problem being that I had set up a split the first time but later 
> left the frequency and going back to it, I have to check to see if 
> I'm still in split. Yes, the responsibility is mine to do so but it's 
> easy to be curious about other possible Qs and then having your 
> original settings be undone without you thinking about it.
> 
> I suspect some version of that scenario happens to most people. For 
> me, seeing the words in color on the P3 would be an in your face 
> reminder you are in split or not. I'd love to be able to select that 
> option, others may not want to but it would save my can, you betcha.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Gary  KA1J
>> 
>>> Implicit in your statement, is the assumption that the provided
>>> indicators are sufficient, which all of this traffic would seem to
>>> indicate is not the case.
>> 
>> Implicit in your statement is that the transceiver, automobile, roadway
>> or whatever should make it impossible for the operator to have an
>> accident.  That's not possible - there are those who can break an
>> anvil.
>> 
>> The current design that *THREE* separate indications of split operation.
>> Any *one* of those should be sufficient.  *NONE* of the proposals do
>> anything to address the real question which should be how to notify the
>> operator that he *should be in split*.
>> 
>> The problem is that the operator *is not paying attention*.  The
>> correct approach would be:  every time the operator activates transmit,
>> the rig display should show a message that says "you are in transceive
>> (simplex) - are you sure you should not engage split?  Press XMIT to
>> begin transmitting"
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>>    ... Joe, W4TV
>> 
>> 
>> On 2015-02-18 10:40 AM, David Cole wrote:
>>> Dave (AB9CA),
>>> 
>>> Given your logic, we should get rid of all street signs, and stop
>>> lights, and guard rails on bridges, and roads, because the drivers are
>>> just initiative, and the crutch o guard rails is not needed for them.
>>> 
>>> Implicit in your statement, is the assumption that the provided
>>> indicators are sufficient, which all of this traffic would seem to
>>> indicate is not the case.
>>> 
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