I've had it happen. It's not all that uncommon to hear only one side of a QSO on a frequency, and I've answered a guy who simply gave his call after my CQ, then found him in the middle of a transmission to someone else who I couldn't hear when I stood by for his first transmission.
So I generated unnecessary QRM on a frequency in use only because one of the stations there either didn't hear me or didn't bother to respond to my QRZ. It doesn't take much to sign both calls. I agree that long calls aren't necessary WHEN you are on the other station's frequency. I'll call someone "W5TVW DE AC7AC AC7AC K" So what's a few seconds for clarity? That's why I send my call twice. If his signal isn't so strong, I'll do a 2X2 call. After calling CQ, I ALWAYS tune up and down at least two or three kHz. Five kHz if the band is quiet. And I'll make about 5 CQ's (listening for a bk if someone is zero beat) then tune around for half a minute or so. Find lots of rockbound GB & QRP stations that way, which makes for interesting QSOs. But those stations need to call me half a dozen times to make sure I'll tune 'em in before they stop. One of the nice differences between CW and other 'digital' modes is that CW uses the same error-correcting system speech does - redundancy. And it's an "intelligent" redundancy when the operator anticipates what the other station needs such as copying in noise, or tuning to find the other station off frequency. It's just like sending names and QTH's twice. The second send is not needed 99% of the time, but it makes things faster and easier overall if the other op is distracted or there's some QSB/QRN/QRM at the wrong moment. Now, I'll admit that my favorite CW rag chews go on while I'm puttering in the shop! So I'm working on something while copying the other guy's transmission and then sit down at the key for my turn. So I'm not looking for series of very fast repartee during the QSO <G>. Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 8:08 PM To: Sandy W5TVW Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is CW a Language? OT On Jan 13, 2006, at 9:44 PM, Sandy W5TVW wrote: > Biggest violation of all is when someone calls CQ, another station > just > answers "W1ABC W1ABC K". Who is he calling? I usually respond by > sending: "QRZ? QRZ? DE W5TVW K". > Often the other station will simply send > "W1ABC W1ABC K" If the band is crowded, which it often is, this > had NOT > told me he is calling me! We have not yet established > communication so > the "DE W1ABC" or "W1ABC" IS NOT proper or polite procedure. Back in the day when most hams used crystal controlled transmitters, and would tune 10-25 kHz either side of their CQ looking for answers, the practice of answering a CQ with W5TVW W5TVW W5TVW DE AA4LR AA4LR AA4LR AR made sense. However, these days, operating zero-beat on a single frequency, the long call is just a waste of time. You call CQ DE W5TVW K. I'll answer AA4LR on the same frequency. Where's the confusion? In contest operation, we'll dispense with the DE and K altogether. Millions of contest CW contacts are made this way each year, without sending both calls. > Add to this the "Novice accent" heard STILL today "NNQ NNQ NNQ NNQ NNQ > DE W1ABC W1ABC.." repeated several times. Then a 5 second pause for > an answer, followed by the same long CQ call again! The old "Novice Accent" advice was to do 3x3x3 - CQ CQ CQ DE W1ABC W1ABC W1ABC repeated three times. Again, that was with a lot of guys still rock-bound. These days, a single 3x3 with a few seconds of listening seems more appropriate. > One chap on 40 > a few nights ago repeated this for maybe 5-6 times. I couldn't > stand it any longer > and fired up the 1/2 Kw and called him. He acted as if I was never > there. > Either deaf or has his receiver somewhere besides his frequency. I remember a moment from 30 years ago -- hearing a guy at 5 wpm send 57 CQs in a row before I got tired and moved on. Never knew if he ever signed.... > Are ham license classes teaching proper procedures anymore? What we need is something like the "Novice Accent" brochure, but updated for modern procedures. > Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!" -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
