Ham is ham, tech is tech. Ham contests should be less about tech and more refined to true personal ham skills. Getting the highest contest score doesn't mean you won if you NEEDED tech to decode it all. There's a fine line that, once crossed, is against the spirit of the hobby in my opinion ( in contests).
Sent from my iPad > On Sep 5, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Peter W2IRT <li...@w2irt.net> wrote: > > From: jermo [mailto:je...@carolinaheli.com] > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 3:36 PM > To: Peter W2IRT; elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S > > The Score shouldn't be interpreted as an indicator of skill or a high end > operator, rather just another set of tools. There should probably be a > separate category for folks that use technology instead of Personal skill. > Just my 2c. > > > [pjd] Not to deviate too far from the point of the discussion, but is > mastering the technologies necessary to achieve this success not a skill into > and of itself? Frankly it’s pretty easy to sit in the chair with a > well-engineered station and run Europe, SA and JA for a weekend, but > assembling and understanding a complex computer assisted station that enables > you to run (or S&P) effortlessly, and to do so reliably and in such a way > that your “thinking” workload is less at 4am Sunday morning, that’s an > equally important skill. > > As I discuss “high end” I’m not talking about dollars spent or awards on the > wall necessarily (although they’re a reasonable measure IMHO). It’s the > difference between the guy who gets on a few nights a week and enjoys > ragchewing with his buddies, maybe does Field Day (for the food and > friendship more than anything) vs ops who get on to push their station’s > limits as far as they can both in terms of success in awards/etc and > automation or at least integration. If that last part is what moves you, then > you’re pretty high end. > > Our K-line gear is wonderfully high performance, I don’t think anybody here > would disagree with that, but for guys like me who love integrating pure RF, > operator skill and computer technology seamlessly, sadly it’s not as > sophisticated as other technologies, as I’m finding out by attempting to get > a working Skimmer system functioning on my K3S. One should not have to jump > through as many hoops to achieve this, IMHO, and I’m envious of those whose > equipment lends itself to that function. > > And there IS a category (at least in contesting) that’s focused on > technology; assisted class. Some folks would never enter in that category, > others wouldn’t dream of entering unassisted. We all have fun (or should). > I’m just trying to make MY fun a little MORE fun, or at least a little more > interesting. > > > Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S® 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Peter W2IRT <li...@w2irt.net> > Date: 9/5/16 15:12 (GMT-05:00) > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S > > I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR > and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes > their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the > K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big > case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod > offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very > comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the > physical interface as much as some ops do. > > My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price, > anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage > in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate > them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and > considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the > ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that > computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over > my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the > high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for > those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it. > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Regards, > Peter Dougherty, W2IRT > > DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint > > www.facebook.com/W2IRT > > > > From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7622174...@n2.nabble.com] > > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM > To: Peter W2IRT > Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S > > > > Nice commercial. > > You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written. > Which part of that isn't resonating? > > All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end > operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin. > > > On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > > > > Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after > it > > is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming > > everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about > > $6,000 on an outdated design? > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > Regards, > > Peter Dougherty, W2IRT > > > > DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint > > > > www.facebook.com/W2IRT > > > > > > > > From: WB6DJI [via Elecraft] > > [mailto:[hidden email]] > > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 12:17 PM > > To: Peter W2IRT > > Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S > > > > > > > > Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this ! > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106 > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106 > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106&v=jjZ-l6v7gEI> > &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI> > > &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI > > > > 73 Mike > > WB6DJI > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > > below: > > > > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622157.h > > tml > > > > To unsubscribe from Skimmer and the K3S, click here > > > <http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubsc > > > ribe_by_code&node=7622100&code=bGlzdHNAdzJpcnQubmV0fDc2MjIxMDB8MTcxNzc2NDg3M > > > g==> . > > > > > <http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_v > > > iewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.Basi > > > > cNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template > > > > .NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_ > > > emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> > NAML > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023) > > 73, Peter W2IRT > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Skimmer-and-the-K3S-tp7622100p7622166.h > tml > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > > -- > R. 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