This list needs a "Don't read this thread" option.
Pedantically quoting the Radio Regs and FCC regs
seems a bit OT in an Elecraft list. It certainly
has become tiresome! Perhaps the Moderator will agree.
Phil W7OX
On 3/16/17 3:01 PM, Colin wrote:
Going back to basics the Radio Regulations
(2016) state -
1.56 amateur service: A radiocommunication
service for the purpose of self-training,
intercommunication and technical investigations
carried out by amateurs, that is, by duly
authorized
persons interested in radio technique solely
with a personal aim and without pecuniary interest.
1.57 amateur-satellite service: A
radiocommunication service using space stations on
earth satellites for the same purposes as those
of the amateur service.
and more specifically -
*ARTICLE 25*
Amateur services
Section I − Amateur service
25.1 § 1 Radiocommunication between amateur
stations of different countries shall be
permitted unless the administration of one of
the countries concerned has notified that it
objects to such radiocommunications. (WRC-03)
25.2 § 2 1) Transmissions between amateur
stations of different countries shall be limited
to communications incidental to the purposes of
the amateur service, as defined in No. 1.56 and
to remarks of a personal character. (WRC-03)
25.2A 1A) Transmissions between amateur stations
of different countries shall not be encoded for
the purpose of obscuring their meaning, except
for control signals exchanged between earth
command stations and space stations in the
amateur-satellite service. (WRC-03)
25.3 2) Amateur stations may be used for
transmitting international communications on
behalf of third parties only in case of
emergencies or disaster relief. An
administration may
determine the applicability of this provision to
amateur stations under its jurisdiction. (WRC-03)
25.4 (SUP - WRC-03)
25.5 § 3 1) Administrations shall determine
whether or not a person seeking a licence to
operate an amateur station shall demonstrate the
ability to send and receive texts in Morse code
signals. (WRC-03)
25.6 2) Administrations shall verify the
operational and technical qualifications of any
person wishing to operate an amateur station.
Guidance for standards of competence may be
found in the most recent version of
Recommendation ITU-R M.1544. (WRC-03)
25.7 § 4 The maximum power of amateur stations
shall be fixed by the administrations concerned.
(WRC-03)
25.8 § 5 1) All pertinent Articles and
provisions of the Constitution, the Convention
and of these Regulations shall apply to amateur
stations. (WRC-03)
25.9 2) During the course of their
transmissions, amateur stations shall transmit
their call sign at short intervals.
25.9A § 5A Administrations are encouraged to
take the necessary steps to allow amateur
stations to prepare for and meet communication
needs in support of disaster relief. (WRC-03)
25.9B § 5B An administration may determine
whether or not to permit a person who has been
granted a licence to operate an amateur station
by another administration to operate an amateur
station while that person is temporarily in its
territory, subject to such conditions or
restrictions it may impose. (WRC-03)
Section II − Amateur-satellite service
25.10 § 6 The provisions of Section I of this
Article shall apply equally, as appropriate, to
the amateur-satellite service.
25.11 § 7 Administrations authorizing space
stations in the amateur-satellite service shall
ensure that sufficient earth command stations
are established before launch to ensure that any
harmful interference caused by emissions from a
station in the amateur-satellite service can be
terminated immediately (see No. 22.1). (WRC-03)
I hope that helps
73
Colin, G3PSM
UK Delegate to WRC-03, WRC-07, WRC-12 and WRC-15
On 16/03/2017 21:02, Dauer, Edward wrote:
With all due respect, gents, section 97.1 is
not what we in the legal biz call substantive.
It is an introductory preamble included there
originally for political purposes, and after
enactment for purposes of interpreting the
regulations that are substantive, when
questions about interpretation arise. The
substantive regulations go from 97.2 ro 97.527,
though there aren’t nearly 526 of them. Those
are the sections that tell us what we can and,
about as frequently, what we cannot do. The
statement of purpose is legally speaking
neither a grant of specific operational
authority nor itself a limitation.
As for international communications, the
proscription of some forms of political
discourse was not uniquely a product of the
Soviet Union. The U.S. law is in 47 C.F.R.
§97.117 “International communications:
Transmissions to a different country, where
permitted, shall be limited to communications
incidental to the purposes of the amateur
service [namely, the list in 97.1] and to
remarks of a personal character.”
I have not researched whether there are any
judicial opinions or FCC policy statements that
further explain that substantive rule.
All of that said, nothing that anyone has
written in this thread which they enjoy or
dislike seems to me to be outside the scope of
our legal authority. **HOW** we do it
technically and in some respects operationally
(e.g. deliberate interference) is of course
subject to lots of rules. But the rest is a
matter of culture, tradition, preference, and
simple operating courtesy. On those things I do
not opine. I do what I enjoy. Within the
scope of the substantive law, of course.
Ted, KN1CBR (and a lawyer)
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:44:16 -0700
From: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT"
<k...@coldrockshotbrooms.com>
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RTTY
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Okay, Kevin....
Here is the appropriate section:
<http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=f320c16fc6e027120cc58558cc7a0926&mc=true&node=se47.5.97_11&rgn=div8>
I was told that basically there was
no place for ragchewing in Amateur
Radio -- no place at all.
97.1(e) says there is a place for a
good ragchew. Not sure where
contesting comes in, but I'll stipulate
that it can be fit into 97.1
somewhere.
It does not say that every place is a
good place for a ragchew, at any
time. It seems intuitively obvious that a
DX pileup is neither the time
nor the place.
You then compare typing on a keyboard
to using paddles, and going back
to the post just before mine, it was about
using pre-programmed macros
for a contest exchange.
The operators aren't really talking.
They're pressing two macro keys
and making an entry in the log.
NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, WHAT YOU LIKE
TO DO, SOMEONE WILL SAY "THIS ISN'T
AMATEUR RADIO."
I do respectfully disagree.
It may not be what I want to do, but
I've seen the Full-Scan TV ops get
very excited about their favored mode.
Moonbounce doesn't excite me,
but it excites moonbounce enthusiasts.
Satellites? Did it once, happy
to know about it, not enough to really
gear-up for it.
There is room for all of this in
Amateur Radio.
... and I'm more than happy to do
something else on big Contest
weekends, and to steer clear of the pileups.
I won't name the person I quoted, but
his technical contributions are
significant. He'd still rather carry on a
conversation than just send
macros.
In my opinion, it is a little bit sad
that we have reduced communication
to a couple of macros.
I don't require you to share that
opinion, Kevin, nor will I deny you
the pleasure of operating that way if it's
what you love.
I won't ridicule it either.
73 -- Lynn
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