Chariot racing wasn’t about the chariots; it was about the racing. It was 
fundamentally no different than modern F1 racing.

73,
WW2PT 

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> On Dec 14, 2019, at 12:24 PM, Dauer, Edward <eda...@law.du.edu> wrote:
> 
> I wonder if the chariot racers of two or three milennia ago lamented the 
> death of their sport.
> 
> I too tried to interest my grandson, now 13, in the ham radio hobby, but with 
> no success.  He just couldn't see the point.  So I reflected on when I was 13 
> with a newly printed Novice ticket, some 62 years ago, and when I was 
> captivated for life by the wizardry of radio electronics, ionospheric 
> physics, the smell of solder and rosin (and of exploding caps), the 
> excitement of doing successfully what most people can't do at all, the 
> fascination of international communications . . . . . all of the things we 
> now-grandpas found and still find attractive.
> 
> He found it a yawn.  
> 
> I reflected on it some.  So what?  The ham radio industry will care, and 
> those who still believe that ham radio is imperative for emergency 
> communications will care (though let's be honest -- cellular and satellite 
> communications have taken much of the wind out of that sail.)  But if I enjoy 
> it and you enjoy it, and we both do it, why should we fret if other people  
> don't?  If amateur radio evolves in ways that are attractive to the next 
> generation, all to the good.  And a form of natural selection may shape the 
> evolution that way.  But if ham radio as we know it today doesn't get past a 
> generational divide, if the mutations that survive an evolutionary end point 
> don't occur, does it really matter?
> 
> Excuse the philosophy, but I have to ask the question:  Is our culture really 
> impoverished by the demise of chariot racing?  Or is that sport still with 
> us, only morphed over time into something the next generation found 
> attractive.
> 
> OK.  Break time over.  Back to the ten-meter contest.  Curse this solar 
> minimum!
> 
> Ted, KN1CBR
> 
> 
>>    On 12/13/2019 9:36 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
>> 
>> This of course is a discussion that isn't likely to die before we do, 
>> but I really don't think that any significant portion of today's youth 
>> will ever look at amateur radio like we do.? I wish that weren't the 
>> case, but reality bites.
>> 
>> 1.? The major lure of amateur radio for most of us was the ability to 
>> freely talk to faraway places.? Young people today can do that with FM 
>> quality and yet often they don't ... they text or chat via message 
>> groups and forums.
>> 
>> 2.? Communicating today is license free, and while even now with 
>> today's lesser requirements getting an amateur radio license is maybe 
>> not a roadblock it's a nuisance to have to study for something that 
>> you don't otherwise care about.
>> 
>> 3.? Effectively communicating today is far cheaper hardware-wise than 
>> for amateur radio, especially for long distances.
>> 
>> 4.? Communicating today is independent of time of day or position in 
>> the sunspot cycle.
>> 
>> 5.? A basic competency in amateur radio was once considered a stepping 
>> stone to a technical career.? That is hardly the case today.? In fact, 
>> I remember one manager of a test department in another company telling 
>> me he tried to avoid hiring hams because they talked about it too much 
>> on the job.
>> 
>> One thing I do believe has carryover appeal is the spirit of 
>> competition.? Humans in general always seem keen to compete at almost 
>> anything ... from eating hot dogs to running to vicariously watching 
>> football to quilting to barbeque.? Young people today have video games 
>> that provide a FAR richer competitive environment than any ham radio 
>> contest (I do both, by the way), and I've always thought that one way 
>> to drum up interest in ham radio is to develop a contest format that 
>> has similar elements.? Ham radio contests are essentially endurance 
>> events that involve independent action throughout the contest with the 
>> comparison occurring at the end, and often weeks or months later.? 
>> Video games require different but otherwise comparable proficiency 
>> (both mental and physical) but involve real time counter moves to any 
>> opponent. The closest we hams come to offsetting somebody we view as 
>> competition is to steal their frequency or QRM them.? I'm not at all 
>> suggesting that we do any such thing, but a contest where we could 
>> take some action that subtracted from somebody else's score is the 
>> kind of thing I'm talking about.? And no, I don't know how to do that 
>> either, but it illustrates what I'm talking about.
>> 
>> It's not any surprise to me that contesting is one of the few 
>> surviving ham radio activities with high participation.? Even 
>> ragchewing has practically died out, and if anyone disputes that take 
>> a look at how much time you spend each week reading email reflectors 
>> versus being on the air (other than in a contest).
>> 
>> I'm not really sure what Wayne was referring to here, and maybe he 
>> implied that same thing that I'm saying, but we aren't going to bring 
>> young folks into the hobby by trying to convince them that the same 
>> things that appealed to us 40 years ago are going to appeal to them.? 
>> This isn't a communication or publicity problem. In spite of the 
>> comments from hams I've seen over the years, most young people pretty 
>> much know the general framework of ham radio and they've simply 
>> rejected it in favor of other things.? There are always a few 
>> exceptions, of course, but I'd bet $100 that the bulk of those young 
>> people who pop up online or in QST as shining examples of young blood 
>> in the hobby are nowhere to be found two years later.
>> 
>> If for any reason we want young folks to embrace the hobby, the hobby 
>> itself is going to have to adapt.? That most of us seem unable to 
>> understand that fact is probably another facet of the problem ... 
>> we're old and inflexible (in both appearance and in fact), which 
>> doesn't help the image of the hobby one wit.? The pictures from Dayton 
>> or any other hamfest have the same appeal as if they were taken at a 
>> Lawrence Welk concert.
>> 
>> I guarantee that those of us who are still above ground five years 
>> from now will be having this same discussion, and it won't be because 
>> we weren't persuasive enough.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Dave?? AB7E
>> 
> 
> 
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