The P3 is quite useful to an NTS NCS. I just called the Carolinas Net (CN) and 
was very pleased to see where I could send folks down 2 (while I had folks up 
2).  Things have got much more difficult with the digital modes!

Tom W4KX

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> On Jun 11, 2020, at 5:07 PM, Wayne Burdick <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I eavesdrop on the 80 m traffic nets occasionally. Impressive level of 
> efficiency and skill among the ops. Who knew there were so many Q-codes :)
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 2:03 PM, Tom Doligalski <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Wayne!
>> 
>> I had faith that the excellent qsk in the K3 would carry over to the K4. 
>> Thanks so much!
>> 
>> I can easily recognize other rigs in cw nets. 
>> 
>> 50 years of cw traffic!
>> 
>> Tom W4KX
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad 
>> 
>>>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Wayne Burdick <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tom,
>>> 
>>> On the K4, with full QSK selected, you can hear between dots at 40 WPM.
>>> 
>>> There's no need for a "QRQ" mode, as on the K3, because the K4 doesn't have 
>>> to update a synth between TX and RX.
>>> 
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft 
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I still do CW traffic handling, qsk is really important to me. That’s the 
>>>> reason I plunked down m money for the K4. 
>>>> 
>>>> Tom W4KX
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <[email protected]> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not being  a high speed CW op nor a contest CW op, I find that QSK is, 
>>>>> well, just very nice.   I don't need to hear between the CW elements, nor 
>>>>> even the letters, but more so in between the words.   Some ops have  a 
>>>>> clean fist but run all the words together.  No spaces.  Drives me nuts. 
>>>>> Itwouldbelikemewritingthismessageandnotputtinginanyspaces    Now that 
>>>>> just doesn't work with my brain.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As to break-in or full QSK, I see it much like a conversation occurs in a 
>>>>> room.  There's thoughts shared back and forth between participants and 
>>>>> does  the allude to swapping ops.  Yet, one can operate semi-QSK with the 
>>>>> same style and results.   Seems that after all, once CW speed gets above 
>>>>> certain points, hearing between CW elements and words become non existent.
>>>>> 
>>>>> After 61 years as a ham, starting as a Novice in 1959, I'm becoming a 
>>>>> fairly good CW op and likewise enjoying it.   I use it largely to 
>>>>> stimulate my old slow brain.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/11/2020 11:59 AM, Al Lorona wrote:
>>>>>> I have always felt as K9ZTV does.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't mean to speak heresy here, and I would never deny anybody's 
>>>>>> right to use full QSK, such as when chasing DX. However, I have never 
>>>>>> felt the need to hear between dits. Between characters or words seems 
>>>>>> more than enough for me, especially at the CW speeds where most people 
>>>>>> exist. Plus, I've always felt it was rude to be interrupted during a 
>>>>>> transmission for anything other than an emergency. One time, when I was 
>>>>>> a novice, the other guy suddenly broke in frantically: MUST QRT QRT LOST 
>>>>>> BIAS. That was definitely a valid emergency. I could almost smell his 
>>>>>> final getting red hot and hear the plate current pegging the meter that 
>>>>>> evening.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Al  W6LX
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> For any practical purpose needed by amateur radio operators that I 
>>>>>>>>> can think of, the ability to hear between elements is not a 
>>>>>>>>> life-and-death virtue.  The ability to hear between characters is by 
>>>>>>>>> far magical enough.
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