Hi Sandy,
Sometime it is a courtesy when someone drops their call once when you send
"test" or "V's" to let you know that they hear you in case you are wondering
if you are transmitting or getting out. Sometimes they drop their call once
and also send their state so that you know about the propagation. Sometimes
they drop their call once in case you want a QSO or are just testing.  

Not sure I follow what is the problem with someone sending their call once?
If someone is purposely calling you and signals are good, why repeat the
call more than once? 

I enjoy both rag-chewing and contesting. Sometimes the band conditions don't
allow rag-chewing. At the moment I am trying to work FP on 6M. With the QSB
I am getting only snippets of his call. I would be happy just to get a
signal report exchange.

73,
N2TK, Tony



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Sandy
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 5:14 PM
To: WILLIS COOKE; Jim Brown; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW

This phenomenon is not restricted to 6 meters!  The same thing happens on HF

as well: people looking for "club" numbers, grid squares, counties,etc., 
etc.  The whole "contest" mentality has corrupted all the "old" and "polite"

methods of establishing a QSO when there are no contests at all!  Also the 
"Elmers" of today, aided and abetted by the ARRL, have all but completely 
"eliminated" the normal calling protocols of yesteryear.  It isn't at all 
"unusual" to tune up and send a few "V's"  and have someone just drop their 
callsign on you just ONCE!  As I now an "old timer" in age and amateur 
radio, I "wonder" when this happens.  Is this chap calling me?  Is he just 
testing?  Even if you send "QRZ? de W5TVW K" you may just get a callsign 
sent ONCE!  Also people sending: "DE W4ABC" instead of calling "CQ". 
"Newer" QRPers answering a CQ call just sending their callsign just ONCE! 
There isn't that "all important" OPERATING section still published in the 
"Handbook"!  Guess the folks at ARRL thought they could make a few extra 
bucks by publishing a special book dealing with that subject that obviously 
everyone ISN"T buying!
I enjoy contests on CW doing QRP and usually these are limited to a small 
segment of the CW sub-band, and they don't seem to be on every weekend.  6 
meters used to be a  really "fun" band back in the "AM" phone days, but I 
didn't figure it would be degraded to nothing but "hello, goodbye" type 
contacts.

Sorry for this, guess I sound like a grouchy "old fart" but where has all 
the politeness gone?

73,

Sandy W5TVW

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WILLIS COOKE" <wrco...@yahoo.com>
To: "Jim Brown" <j...@audiosystemsgroup.com>; <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6M CW


I don't feel that way at all. A contact in which only grids are exchanged 
leaves me with little satisfaction at all. I at least like to exchange names

and QTH. I get enough of the quicky QSOs with contests. I don't need more on

six meters or digital contacts. I know I am out of step with the avant 
guarde, but I don't enjoy six meters much because of these quick exchanges.
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ




________________________________
From: Jim Brown <j...@audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 10:41:55 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] 6M CW

On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 08:29:08 -0700 (PDT), Ken McGuire wrote:

>I was frustrated at how slow the chats were on SSB (FM was even worse) -
>it seemed like they were wasting a perfectly good band opening ragchewing

Yep. Same here. Often, an opening on any given path may be there only long
enough to exchange the grid and report. It's quite frustrating to wait to
call a station that was S9, then S7, then S5, then S3, then fumes, while
the time is filled with innanity.

>When I turned down to the CW portion of the band, it almost sounded like
>a CW contest weekend.

Yes. I've gotten to the point that I spend most of my 6M efforts on CW,
only tuning up to the SSB portion of the band when nothing is happening on
CW. And thanks in part to the proliferation of K3s, there is a lot more CW
activity than there was only 5 years ago.

73, Jim K9YC


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