On Nov 25, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Markus Schulze wrote:


I wrote (25 Nov 2008):

Greg argued that "every IRV election for public
office ever held in the United States ..."

Now you use Florida 2000 as a counterexample.

Do you see the problem?

You wrote (25 Nov 2008):

No, I don't.

Which election method was used in Florida 2000?

Plurality failed in Florida 2000, so we can conclude that "plurality voting always elects the right winner" is false.

We can also agree that sometimes plurality does happen to elect the right winner.

You quote Abd as claiming that every US IRV winner has also been the plurality winner. This is apparently wrong, but never mind.

Greg claims that in practice, IRV does indeed elect the right winner.


From this (if I've missed something, please correct me, but please also quote the above so I don't have to go digging it up again), you conclude that Greg is claiming that "plurality voting always elects the right winner".

I'm still looking for the chain of logic that leads you to that conclusion.
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