On 11/24/11 2:20 PM, David L Wetzell wrote:
Let me start off by saying that I'm thankful for this list-serve of people passionate about electoral reform and that you put together a working consensus statement. I'm trying to work it some more...

My belief is that the US's system makes it necessary to frame electoral reform simply and to limit the options proffered.

but they should be *good* options. limiting the proffered options to IRV is proven by our experience in Vermont to eventually fail.

  This is what FairVote does and they do it well.

no they don't. FairVote sells ranked-choice voting and the IRV/STV method of tabulating the ranked ballots as if they are the same thing. i.e., once they convince voters, city councilors, and legislators that ranked-choice voting is a good thing (by accurately pointing out what is wrong with FPTP in a multiparty context and/or viable independent candidates), they present IRV as it is the only solution. that backfired BIG TIME here in Burlington Vermont.

If you're going to undercut their marketing strategy then ethically the burden of proof is on you wrt providing a clear-cut alternative to IRV3.

Condorcet.

which Condorcet method i am not so particular about, but simplicity is good. Schulze may be the best from a functional POV (resistance to strategy) but, while i have a lot of respect for Markus, the Schulze method appears complicated and will be a hard sell. i also do not think that cycles will be common in governmental elections and am convinced that when a cycle rarely occurs, it will never involve more than 3 candidates in the Smith set. given a bunch of Condorcet-compliant methods that all pick the same winner in the 3-candidate Smith set, the simplest method should be the one marketed to the public and to legislators.

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