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>  Condorcet systems fundamentally try to maximize the wrong thing. They try
>> to maximize the odds of electing the Condorcet winner, even though it's a
>> proven mathematical fact that the Condorcet winner is not necessarily the
>> option whom the electorate prefers.
>>
>
> Trouble is that the ballots ARE the voters' statements as to which
> candidate IS the CW.  The above paragraph seems to be based on the ballots
> sometimes not truly representing the thoughts of the voters voting them.
>
>
> No, he's saying that when the CW and the true, honest utility winner
differ, the latter is better. I agree, but it's not an argument worth
making, because most people who don't already agree will think it's a
stupid one.
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