On 1/25/10 3:06 PM, "TGC" <[email protected]> wrote:

> 
> TNEF is a royal pain.  I have to wonder, though, if there's some serious
> hurdle preventing Thunderbird (for instance) from including a TNEF decoder by
> default--perhaps Microsoft has some sort of (*ick*) patent on it?

Considering the number of applications that deal with it, and that Kerio
does tnef decoding on the server, I would tend to doubt it.


>> 7) AppleScript is a must. That's not the ONLY way to automate things, and it
>> shouldn't be here, but a well-done scripting implementation, (and for
>> DEITY$'s sake, NOT APPLE'S! Mail/AB/iCal have the most craptacular scripting
>> implementations ever. Mail's one good point is scriptable rules. Other than
>> that, take a look at Entourage, it has a fantastic scripting implementation
>> that you can do some pretty scary stuff with. (Or just plain evil. I wrote a
>> script that converts messages in Entourage to structured PDF through Acrobat
>> just to prove that Adobe was full of crap when they said you couldn't do
>> this on a Mac. They were less than happy about it. Which of course, was the
>> idea.) This application is not going to only interact with shell scripts and
>> the handful of jstalk applications. It's going to have to work with a huge
>> range of applications, and for that, you need AppleScript. (All arguments
>> about syntax quality or lack thereof will be mocked for: Point, you missed
>> it. As will "BUT WHAT ABOUT <OTHER> LANGUAGE!. Multiple languages are good.)
>> If nothing else, it gives you a great way to see what the next version's new
>> features should be. If a lot of people are scripting something, that's a
>> hint. 
> 
> Err...most of your points I get (I don't always agree, but I get ;-) ), but
> this one seems a little incoherent to me.
> 
> I will try and summarize what I think I understand from this, and hope you
> will confirm or correct (or complete):
> - You want robust and pervasive scripting support
> - You want it to support AppleScript
> - You want it to at least optionally support other languages
> - You want the scripts to be able to do amazing and powerful things

Yes.

> 
>> 6) Per-account reply options. My work account has to be top-post, everything
>> else I bottom post.
> 
> I would go further and say per-folder.

I've never needed it that granular, but sure, if the effort needed isn't
overly great.

> 
>> 10) Plugins with a well-documented architecture, yes. Plugins with "here's
>> some source, that's all you need", no.
>> 
>> 11) Documentation. It's still important.
> 
> ++
> 
>> 6) I could care less about external editors, and actually hate the concept.
>> (Do YOU get gobs of email composed in Word? I do, and it sucks. It allll
>> sucks. Bad idea. BAAAAAAD idea.)
> 
> I don't think anyone's suggesting Word.  BBEdit, yes.  Word, no.

You do realize that once you say 'external editor', your ability to control
what that is goes to zero. Quickly.

> 
>> 7) Power User != Programmer, Power User != Programmer, Power User !=
>> Programmer, Power User != Programmer, Power User != Programmer, Power User
>> != Programmer, Power User != Programmer. There, point made.
> 
> But is the purpose of Letters to be an email client for "Power Users", or an
> email client for Programmers?

That would seem to be the core, as of yet unanswered, question. All the rest
of this is meaningless until that is done.

-- 
John C. Welch         Writer/Analyst
Bynkii.com              Mac and other opinions
[email protected]


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