I never contributed much to the old Emailer group, but I was subscribed while I used it, and have considerable cause to be grateful for all those dedicated individuals who managed to provide so much detailed information and support to others, in such a timely manner.
When I stopped using Emailer, I went straight to Mail, because it was superficially similar, imported my (then 700MB) Emailer database, handled IMAP well, and allowed proper filing. Entourage has a monolithic underlying database which periodically goes unfixably bad, Outlook is just four quarts of crap, and Mail has certainly improved a lot since the early days, but the one thing which allows it to stand out is its plugin architecture, which no other mail client, to my knowledge, comes close to. Whatever you want to do, there’s probably a plugin for it (list here: http://www.tikouka.net/mailapp/) -- but for me, the thing that I would put up with almost any oddness in Mail for, is MailHub (http://dervishsoftware.com/) -- it is pure genius. Simple, powerful, useful, does its job and gets straight out of the way. And cheap; strongly recommended. So thanks to you all -- it’s been a pleasure. Mark On 21 Feb 2013, at 22:55, Robert Fowler wrote: > It's great to hear from Chris ("who used to save my CE bacon all the > timeŠ"), and sad to hear his detailed review of Outlook. I've been using > Outlook at the office for *5* days now, and I'm not a fan! Just one > sample: MSEntourage 2008 had a "Send Later" option for sending email. > Apparently Outlook does not. And yet the Windows version of Outlook does. > GrrrrŠ. I was going to 'upgrade' to MSOffice 2011 at home also, but now > I think I'll keep using Entourage there until MS kills it off. > > Cheers to all, > > BobinBerea/BobEff > > > > On 2/21/13 4:06 PM, "cb" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Feb 21, 2013, at 1:36 PM, William D. Bandes wrote: >> >>> We hope you're still "listening," >>> Chris! >> >> I am indeed still here. I didn't have much to contribute to this thread >> having stopped using Emailer back in the beginning of 2006 when I bought >> my first Intel based iMac (the first one Apple released). I tried using >> Emailer for a few weeks under SheepShaver but it was just too much of a >> pain to do. >> >> I've been using Apple's Mail for my primary mail client since I moved >> over. I think I may have tried a few others briefly but ultimately found >> that everything was enough different from Emailer and none of them were >> really better, so I just stuck with Apple's Mail knowing it would be >> supported going forward and easily integrated into their other iApps. >> >> I started using Emailer around 98 or 99 I think (I know I was a user for >> the y2k issues that jud passed around the info on how to hack in a fix >> until Apple officially fixed it). I stopped using Emailer in 2006 >> (probably right around this time of year since I ordered the iMac they >> day they went on sale). So that means I've now not been using Emailer for >> just about as long as I had been using Emailer. >> >> And now, since this is a list of Emailer lovers that know nothing else is >> ever quite the sameŠ >> >> <rant> >> >> Last year I had MS Outlook on the Mac forced on me for my work email. I >> don't like it. It is not very stable (although it is more stable than MS >> Communicator which I was also forced over to and is more stable than it >> was when I started using it last year and it crashed every other day), it >> gets confused easily when I use a VPN forcing me to quit and relaunch it. >> It opens email in a separate window far too easily (I'm sure some how I'm >> making it think I double clicked it, but it happens way too often for it >> to really be a complete user error), and when you delete the email, the >> stand alone window copy of it remains open (unlike Apple's Mail where it >> closes the window when you delete the underlying email message). Outlook >> does not support manually quoting text (at least not that I have found, I >> admit I only briefly looked, but if it is there it isn't obvious), which >> means inline quoting of an email is harder as you have to quote the >> entire email, then do a bunch of fancy returns and backspaces to add text >> in the middle (this has caused me to give up and just do its reply on top >> that it insists on doing despite the fact that I still think that is a >> bad way to reply to an email). And finally, my two biggest peeves with >> Outlook, one, it does not mark a message as read until after you click >> OFF the message. Clicking on it and viewing it and reading it is not >> enough, you have to actually either open it in a separate window (which I >> don't like to do any more, I like the single window view these days, I >> already use 3 monitors covered with windows, I don't need an extra window >> opening just so show me the same email I can read in Outlook's main >> window) or you have to click or arrow to a different email to mark the >> previous one as read. This seems to carry over all too often to when you >> look at a new email, read it, then click delete. It moves it to the >> trash, but often leaves it in an unread state showing unread emails in my >> trash (and always does that when I accept meeting invites). And then >> number two, my single biggest "I freaking hate Outlook" featureŠ its >> overly aggressive spell checker. In Apple's Mail if you misspell a work, >> it auto corrects it if it can. If you didn't want the correction, you can >> backspace, spell it wrong again, and it will leave it wrong. In Outlook >> you are screwed, it will just keep on auto correcting until you either >> turn off auto correct or add the misspelling to an override dictionary. >> Part of this same auto correct will adjust things like underlines before >> a word turning the word to italics, asterisk before a word makes it bold. >> These are amazingly annoying features when I write emails containing >> necessary acronyms, internal terms, and file or script names that >> regularly contain underscore or asterisk characters. Things like "to fix >> your problem run the following: my_fixer_script.sh /path/allfiles*.txtŠ >> this will result in the underscores being removed, "fixer" being in >> italics, the asterisk being removed, and ".txt" being boldŠ to get around >> it I have to turn off the feature or type the text in a text editor and >> copy and paste in into outlook. And yes, I can turn off the bold and >> italic auto correct without turning everything else off, but the fact >> that it is an all or nothing even for that portion of the auto correct is >> still annoying. I admit Apple's Mail has spoiled me by auto correcting >> and then paying attention to the fact that I changed it back to the old >> text and leaving it alone. It lets me leverage auto correct for most of >> what I do and then easily override it when I know it is "wrong" and I >> want it that way. >> >> </rant> >> >> >> -chris >> <www.mythtech.net> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emailer mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.mmn.on.ca/listinfo.cgi/emailer-mmn.on.ca >
