Am 06.09.2012 um 13:17 schrieb EBo: > Fair enough. I thought the current discussion concerned moving away > from autoconf and friends. Personally I have a lot more experience and > comfort with autoconf, automake, and libtools. Some people hate them, > and the whole jam thing is a lot more portable (at least from my > experience). So I am not advocating ditching auto*, just joining in the > discussion.
The issue IMO is primarily with the Submakefile scheme which is a minefield to walk through when adding something nontrivial, and that happens frequently and not only to me; if that could be replaced by a more robust scheme that would be great (how many times you've been bitten by "failed to remake Makefile"?) For some reason it seems there was a prevailing opinion that recursive make invocations are a bad thing. A different issue with autoconf is that writing working feature test macros is outright pathetic, and IMO the folks who came up with the idea of using m4 for this purpose should be summarily shot. But then this isnt all that frequent so one can suffer through that. -m > > On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 13:05:34 +0200, Lars Segerlund wrote: >> I have experience with it, it's just another case of let's reiinvent >> the build system, I do not wish to air my opinion of it publicly, >> since I would be sued for defamation .... >> >> What's wrong with autoconf & friends ? They are cross platform, have >> few dependencies and can do everything .... >> >> Anyhow, everytime one uses a new build system, time goes on and five >> or ten years later the archives are unbuildable ..... I prefer to >> keep >> it simple and take the pain ... rather now than later. >> >> Just my 5 cents .... >> >> / regards, Lars Segerlund. >> >> >> 2012/9/6 EBo <e...@sandien.com>: >>> On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 08:34:38 +0200, Michael Haberler wrote: >>>> ... >>>> >>>> LinuxCNC isnt the only project in this situation; some are >>>> developing >>>> cmake build instructions in parallel while leaving the existing >>>> autoconf stuff in place until the new way stabilizes. >>> >>> I've had a lot of problems in the past with cmake. Has anyone taken >>> a >>> look at other multi-platform solutions like Jam? It has been a >>> number >>> of years since I have used both Perforce's Jam and its derivative >>> Boost >>> Jam and Boost Build. And before getting all medieval on this post >>> about >>> C++ dependencies, Boost's Jam and Build at least were maintained >>> independently so that they could be easily used for other projects >>> without requiring Boost libraries. >>> >>> While drafting this email I came across references for SCons. Since >>> we >>> have been talking about general python support, this might also be a >>> decent option, but I have no personal experience with it. I found >>> the >>> following link informative >>> <http://www.scons.org/wiki/SconsVsOtherBuildTools> >>> >>> EBo -- >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Live Security Virtual Conference >>> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and >>> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. >>> Discussions >>> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in >>> malware >>> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Emc-developers mailing list >>> Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Live Security Virtual Conference >> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and >> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. >> Discussions >> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in >> malware >> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Emc-developers mailing list >> Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Emc-developers mailing list > Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ _______________________________________________ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
