Hi Nicklaus and TJ:
    It's true that too close is 1-2 microns for a finish burn and too far is 
the same.  My machine resolves 40,000 encoder counts per inch so 1-2 microns 
works out to 1.6 to 3.2 encoder counts, which you will travel over in 1.6- 3.2 
thousands of a second, fast enough I would think.  Pulse rates are upwards of a 
few thousand per second so we're really talking about 2- 5 pulses, less on a 
roughing burn which has less pulses per second and longer sparks so electrode 
positioning is not as critical.  Any machine can produce acceptable roughing 
burns.  Only a well tuned and properly working machine can produce the finest 
finishes.

    It's also true what TJ said about electrode wear, that it's greatest during 
a finish burn and lowest during a roughing burn.  Negative polarity on the 
electrode causes greater electrode wear (other settings being the same)  but 
that extra wear is often allowed to get acceptable erosion during difficult 
conditions, or when metal removal rates are more important than reducing 
electrode wear.  Hole poppers would be an example of this -- I think, though I 
have not run one myself.   Polarity and electrode wear are important to the EDM 
operator but are meaningless to the motion control software.

Pete Gruendeman


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On Wed, 3/2/16, TJoseph Powderly <[email protected]> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] EDM gap control (Control parameters)
 To: "EMC developers" <[email protected]>
 Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2016, 9:29 AM
 
 Nicklaus hello
 even tho the average velocity is low
 it is important to move to the correct position
 as soon as possible
 if the tool is too
 close
 it will cause thousands of bad
 discharges per second
 and damage the
 stock
 ( velocity is NOT important, position
 IS important)
 if the tool is too far away
 then many pulses will not occur
 wasting time in a process that is already
 slow
 too close is -1 or 2 microns
 too far is  + 1 or 2 microns
 more positional error is just bad control
 
 MRR is metal removal rate
 measured in grains per minute or grains per
 hour
 
 the finer the finish
 the slower the MRR
 MRR is higher with
 rougher surface, lower with finer
 Vw is
 VerschleissWerkstuffe  or loss of workpeice
 Ve is VerschleissElekgtrode  or loss of
 tool
 
 Vw is high for
 roughing (schruppen) and Ve is low for roughing
 Ve is high for finishing ( schlicten) and Vw is
 low for finishing
 
 there is
 a point where it is advantageous to reverse the polarity to
 get 
 better Vw an Ve
 This
 point is related mostly to on time and D%, not current ( tho
 this 
 point is usually at low currents)
 
 back to your post...
 yes the velocity is slow
 no the
 position update should not be slow
 
 run the position update as fast as you can
 even use hardware to update the motor amplifier
 and only let Linuxcnc 
 monitor postion
 just to make the position loop as fast as
 possible
 
 tomp
 
 On 03/02/2016 06:12 PM, Nicklas Karlsson
 wrote:
 >> ...
 >>
 All of this start, stop, backup motion will result in an
 average rate of travel that is on the order of inches per
 hour.  It's not fast.  Though the positioning rate for
 forward and reverse motion can be inches per minute.
 >> ...
 > Then it is so
 slow as at maximum inches per minute there is no point with
 position/velocity loop faster than once each millisecond?
 >
 > For Z-axis there
 would be no problem with 40kHz servo loop if needed.
 >
 > Regards Nicklas
 Karlsson
 >
 >
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