Mike: There is no Federal requirement for the manufacturer to have equipment listed or NRTL approved. The requirements are set by localities, as Richard Woods clearly points out.
I can understand that in some companies, the "powers-that-be" have little patience with the time and expense of obtaining a listing. The delay in hitting the market is often more costly than the approval process itself. I say TOUGH. They should have allowed for that in the original project plan and schedule. There was one, wasn't there? If you are having a problem, just ask marketing to agree to exclude the areas that Richard enumerated from their sales areas. If it's OK to exclude LA, etc. etc., than listing isn't needed, legally. But the competition may be listing, so not doing so puts you at a disadvantage. I have asked managers to imagine sitting on the witness stand at a product liability trial, and trying to answer the question, why didn't you get safety approval from an NRTL? When the implications of shortcuts are driven home, most people see the light. Those that don't need to stick their fingers in an unlisted light socket. Rant concluded, best regards, Jack Jacob Z. Schanker, P.E. 65 Crandon Way Rochester, NY 14618 Phone: 716 442 3909 Fax: 716 442 2182 j.schan...@ieee.org ----- Original Message ----- From: <wo...@sensormatic.com> To: <emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 12:23 PM Subject: RE: NEC Question | | Mike, regardless of what the NEC says, and it is not very clear in this | regard, it is the state, county and city electrical codes and other local | regulations that apply. Many jurisdictions have deviations from the NEC | and/or have other regulations that require electrical equipment sold to the | general public be Listed. I know of the following locations: Virginia, North | Carolina, Los Angeles, Counties of Los Angeles and Orange, and San | Francisco. I have also heard but cannot confirm that other locations include | Oregon, Washington, New York city and Chicago. | | Richard Woods | Sensormatic Electronics | | | -----Original Message----- | From: Mike Morrow [mailto:mi...@ucentric.com] | Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:52 AM | To: EMC Society | Subject: NEC Question | | | | Can someone point me to a section in the NEC that says a piece of | RESIDENTIAL computer equipment must be "listed" (NEC definition). Article | 645 which requires a "listed" piece of equipment appears to apply to a | computer room and not a residence. | | Basically I've been asked where its says a piece of computer equipment must | listed/approved by a NRTL. I'm ignoring the obvious liability implications | should someone get injured for the purposes of this question.. | | Any help is appreciated. | | Mike Morrow | Senior Compliance Engineer | Ucentric Systems, LLC | 978-823-8166 | mi...@ucentric.com | | | ------------------------------------------- | This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety | Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. | | Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ | | To cancel your subscription, send mail to: | majord...@ieee.org | with the single line: | unsubscribe emc-pstc | | For help, send mail to the list administrators: | Michael Garretson: pstc_ad...@garretson.org | Dave Heald davehe...@mediaone.net | | For policy questions, send mail to: | Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org | Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org | | All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: | No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old | messages are imported into the new server. | | ------------------------------------------- | This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety | Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. | | Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ | | To cancel your subscription, send mail to: | majord...@ieee.org | with the single line: | unsubscribe emc-pstc | | For help, send mail to the list administrators: | Michael Garretson: pstc_ad...@garretson.org | Dave Heald davehe...@mediaone.net | | For policy questions, send mail to: | Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org | Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org | | All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: | No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. | ------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson: pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Heald davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
