Dear George, Just a small clarification: in regard to item 5, "one of the following..", are mixed-up TESTING AGENCIES(NRTLs) with MARKS. In Canada, are acceptable the following MARKS:
CSA, cETL (issued by ITS - Intertek Testing Services, formerly Inchcape T.S.), cUL and ULC. (for CERTIFICATION purposes.) Respectfully yours, Constantin Constantin Bolintineanu P.Eng. DIGITAL SECURITY CONTROLS LTD. 3301 LANGSTAFF Road, L4K 4L2 CONCORD, ONTARIO, CANADA e-mail: bolin...@dscltd.com telephone: 905 760 3000 ext 2568 www.dscgrp.com -----Original Message----- From: geor...@lexmark.com [mailto:geor...@lexmark.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 3:49 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Product Marking Courtland, You raise a very interesting question, prompted by the usual "Dilbert" marketing thinking. Here are some comments, in no particular order, nor do I draw a conclusion: 1. As you know, OSHA has approved multiple NRTLs to issue certifications to UL 1950 and other standards. We were once acquiring a product which used the CSA/NRTL mark, i.e. perfectly acceptable. Marketing thought the world would come to an end, as they would not be able to respond to bids (particularly gov't bids) specifying "UL" approval. I personally assured marketing that if a U.S. gov't bid held to the "UL" approval requirement they would be at odds with OSHA, i.e. the Code of Federal Regulations. We wrote a statement for them to the effect that the product was tested as conforming to UL 1950 etc. without specifying the agency. They finally accepted our position, but we still get the UL mark on most products. 2. Similarly, Canada will accept a CSA or c-UL mark. However, it seems that the Canadian gov't prefers the CSA mark when bidding for their use. Hence, we normally require the CSA mark for models that would most likely be candidates for gov't office use. 3. It is my observation and position that customers buying off-the- shelf or over the internet have no clue what a power rating label is nor do they look at it after purchase. Therefore, for the average consumer, the particular marks or absence thereof matters little. 4. Large customers of business products do often want know the details of marks and approvals, but do not necessarily understand that UL = CSA/NRTL = ITS = MET etc. if tested to the same UL/CSA standards. 5. If you do NOT market to Canadian gov't, I suggest using any one of the following, acceptable for other customers in both countries, assuming your marketing can live with any of these: - c-UL-us - MET - ITS - TUVR George Alspaugh ---------------------- Forwarded by George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark on 01/24/2001 03:35 PM --------------------------- cthomas%patton....@interlock.lexmark.com on 01/24/2001 04:05:09 PM Please respond to cthomas%patton....@interlock.lexmark.com To: emc-pstc%majordomo.ieee....@interlock.lexmark.com cc: (bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark) Subject: Product Marking Hello group, I have a question concerning labeling a product. If we go to a NRTL and get Safety testing performed, we typically put the Safety logo (UL for example) on the product label. Our marketing people have a problem with having different logo's. They would like to standarize on a single logo such as UL. This kind of thinking hinders the process of getting the best price possible. I would like to get the testing performed at a lab which doesn't use UL. Would it be possible to just put "Conforms to UL 1950 and CAN/CSA 1950" on the label and forget the logo? Or is there a requirement to have a logo? Thanks, Courtland Thomas Patton Electronics ------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson: pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org ------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson: pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org