http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium http://www.emc2004.org/ -------------------------------------------------- John, Usually customs do not ask for Test Reports and Test Results. However, they do look for the CE Marking on the product or within its packaging. I always tell my customers to mark their bulk shipping containers with the CE Mark. That way, it will make it through customs without being stripped to ensure that the products are indeed marked. Also, even though not required, it is useful to include the CE DoC together with the shipment paperwork. Some European countries, like the UK and France have implemented a surveillance program, similar to the FCC in the US. They will pick up samples >from the market and/or trade shows and have it tested in their own accresited test labs to ensure the products meet the essential requirements. If they do not meet the essential requirements, they will be asking the importer for the Technical Construction files to compare the test methods and results. This type of testing happens all the time, but we do not hear much because it is not so nice to advertise these things. Maybe someone in the group would like to share their experiences with the authorities? Best Regards, Peter Merguerian
[email protected] wrote: http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium http://www.emc2004.org/ John A. I was not referring to the CE mark, DoC, technical file or certain tasks as specified in the relevant Directives. My question was: what was the legal ground to require TEST RESULTS / REPORTS to pass the customs. John Radomski John Allen , [email protected] > cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: IEC and the CB Scheme owner-emc-pstc@listse rv.ieee.org 08/04/2004 08:21 AM http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium http://www.emc2004.org/ John R The product must have the CE mark. Before you apply the mark you must HAVEalready performed certain tasks, as specified in the relevant directive(s) [e..g LVD Annexc IV], notably including preparation of the technical files with all the appropriate data (including, but certainly not limited to, test reports) and then the DoC. No Mark, DoC, or tech files = failure to comply with the directive(s). John Allen, Technical Consultant EMC and Safety Engineering ERA Technology Ltd. Cleeve Road Leatherhead Surrey KT22 7SA UK Tel: +44-1372-367025 (Direct) +44-1372-367000 (Switchboard) Fax: +44-1372-367102 Please take a minute to visit my web pages at http://www.era.co.uk/services/rcm.asp and the main ERA Website at http://www.era.co.uk From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 04 August 2004 12:54 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: IEC and the CB Scheme http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium http://www.emc2004.org/ > I have had numerous occasions where a manufacturer is in "panic" mode and needed their product tested for CE (yes, within a few days), because they have done nothing about it and have been stopped by Europewan customs. What was the legal ground to stop products due to lack of test results (reports)? Just curious. John Radomski peter merguerian , peter merguerian o.com> , Dan Anchondo , [email protected] Sent by: cc: owner-emc-pstc@listse Subject: RE: IEC and the CB Scheme rv.ieee.org 08/04/2004 12:49 AM http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium http://www.emc2004.org/ Brian, What is a CE Test Report? It is one that the manufacturer has gathered, either in-house or externally, to determine the product is CE compliant. Remember you can go to any laboratory that meets your criteria of a test lab (my strong recommendation is to ensure it is one that is accredited to ISO 17025). Also note that the CE documentation (EMC, safety, etc.) must be available within 10 days after the manufacturer or importer is requested to do so by the European authorities. I have had numerous occasions where a manufacturer is in "panic" mode and needed their product tested for CE (yes, within a few days), because they have done nothing about it and have been stopped by Europewan customs. Best Regards, Peter Merguerian Brian O'Connell wrote: http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium http://www.emc2004.org/ What is a "CE Test Report" ? thanks, Brian From: peter merguerian [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 12:28 AM To: Dan Anchondo; [email protected] Subject: Re: IEC and the CB Scheme Hello Dan, No, a CB Test Report is not required to make a European CE Declaration. Typically for CE, the manufacturer gets his product tested in his own accredited laboratory or at a third party laboratory and declares compliance with all the applicable Directives. The CB Test Report is not only for power supplies. You can get a CB to many categories including but not limited to: Household Appliances IEC60335 , Lasers (IEC825), ITE (IEC60950), Laboratory Measurement and Test Equipment (IEC61010), etc. etc. A CB Test Report allows you to test the product at one NCB appointed by the IEC in a particular country (say TUV Rheinland of North America) such that the test results are accepted by another NCB in another country (such as SII in Israel). Remember, Test Results only are usually accepted. However, some NCBs such as TUV Rheinland of North America have excellent rapports with various test agencies in the world, such that not only the test results are accepted but also the construction. By the way, you can cover the power supply and product in the same CB Test Report. Why pay the expense of doing two reports? A CB Test Report is not much more expensive than doing just a CE Test Report. For IEC60950-1, there are 25 countries participating countries - however, there are other countries who either ar! e not an IEC member or have missed being in the Technical Bulletin, but who still accept CB Test Reports. If you have any other questions regarding CE, CB, GS, cTUVus Listing/Recognition/Clasification, Wi-Fi, NEBS, Ergonomics, ISO9000, Machinery, Household Appliances, Audio/Video Appliances, Luminaires, Telecoms, Pressure Vessels, Medical, Telecoms, NOM (Mexico), CCC (China), S Mark (Argentina), GOST (Russia) etc., let me know either privately or via the emc-pstc list. Regards, Peter Merguerian This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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