Hi Scott, Keep in mind the NEC is an installation standard, not a product standard. Installations are by nature local so the requirements can vary without too many problems. The equipment approvals required by the NEC also don't vary too much from one edition of the NEC to another, and tend to be satisfied by some type of NRTL Listing if anything at all is required.
On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Scott Xe <scott...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Ted, > > > > Regarding local requirements in a state, county or city, how can they buy > a product for particular state, county or city? Normally we sell the > product to whole country and it sounds strange to me. What is the normal > practice to restrict the movement of the imported products from one state > to the other? > > > > Regards, > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > *From: *Ted Eckert <ted.eck...@microsoft.com> > *Date: *Wednesday, 27 July 2016 at 1:22 AM > *To: *Raymond Li <scott...@gmail.com>, "EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG" < > EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > *Subject: *RE: [PSES] Safety requirements in US > > > > Hello Scott, > > > > The CPSC list you provided a link to covers mandatory national > requirements for products covered by the CPSC. The key words are “national” > and “mandatory”. There is no mandatory national safety requirement for > televisions, refrigerators or many other consumer electrical products. OSHA > has requirements for products used in the workplace, but OSHA has no > authority over non-work use of these products. > > > > As numerous other people have noted, local electrical inspectors may have > requirements for what is used in the home, but that depends on what code > has been adopted locally. NFPA 70, the National Electrical Code, is fairly > commonly adopted, but it is not a national law. It may be adopted by a > state, county or city and they may adopt it with their own modifications. > Even then, the local inspectors aren’t going to go to stores to check > approvals on plug-connected products. They typically only do inspections on > new construction and remodeling where a building permit is required. > > > > Ted Eckert > > Microsoft Corporation > > > > The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of > my employer. > > > > *From:* Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 10:09 AM > *To:* Ted Eckert <ted.eck...@microsoft.com>; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US > > > > Hi Ted, > > > > Appreciate your detailed explanation that is very useful for me! OSHA > requirements are primarily on the use of equipment at work. > > > > For consumer or household products, they are governed by CPSC. I visited > CPSC website and tried to find the same thing there. I found the mandatory > requirements, ie. Consumer product safety act under below link > > > > > http://www.cpsc.gov/en/Regulations-Laws--Standards/Regulations-Mandatory-Standards-Bans/ > > > > I only found very few products related to above category such as Hair > Dryers. No TVs, audios, MWOs, refrigerators, PCs, etc. in the list. I > hard to believe they are not regulated. Did I locate incorrect place or > the regulation system is different? > > > > Tks, > > > > Scott > > > > > > *From: *Ted Eckert <000007cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> > *Reply-To: *Ted Eckert <ted.eck...@microsoft.com> > *Date: *Tuesday, 26 July 2016 at 1:55 AM > *To: *<EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > *Subject: *Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US > > > > Hello Scott, > > > > OSHA runs the NRTL program <https://www.osha.gov/dts/otpca/nrtl/>. It > includes a list of Nationally Recognized Test Laboratories > <https://www.osha.gov/dts/otpca/nrtl/nrtllist.html>. Click on any one of > the labs and it will show the testing standards that lab is recognized for. > > > > A product is NRTL Listed if it has been approved by an NRTL under one of > their OSHA approved standards and has been included in that lab’s list of > approved products. > > > > A2LA laboratories have demonstrated that they follow specific procedures > for repeatability and proper testing of products with a fairly broad scope > of what they can do. NRTL only covers safety standards for a few > laboratories and is much narrower in scope than A2LA. > > > > Ted Eckert > > Microsoft Corporation > > > > The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of > my employer, OSHA or A2LA. Your mileage may vary. > > > > *From:* Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com <scott...@gmail.com>] > *Sent:* Monday, July 25, 2016 9:42 AM > *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US > > > > Hi John, > > > > What is exact meaning of NRTL approved? Is it a sample for type > examination against applicable safety standard without production audits? > > > > What are the differences between A2LA and NRTL? > > > > *From: *"Tyra, John" <john_t...@bose.com> > *Reply-To: *"Tyra, John" <john_t...@bose.com> > *Date: *Monday, 25 July 2016 at 10:14 PM > *To: *<EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > *Subject: *Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US > > > > Some states have legal requirements for electrical products to be NRTL > approved > > > > *From:* Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org <ri...@ieee.org>] > *Sent:* Sunday, July 24, 2016 8:26 PM > *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US > > > > > > Hi Scott: > > > > For consumer and household products, compliance with CPSC requirements is > required. > > > > No. Only products considered “substantial product hazards” such as hair > dryers need comply with CPSC requirements. However, any consumer product > that injures someone is subject to CPSC recall order. > > > > What about OSHA? > > > > Electrical products that are used by employees are required to be NRTL > certified. > > > > > > Best regards, > > Rich > > > > > > > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. 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