What will be really interesting is when two automated vehicles collide, or in the general case, it is found that an automated vehicle is at fault in any sort of accident. The deep pockets of the auto manufacturer vs. the driver will be a very tempting target for the trial lawyers.
Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: John Allen <john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 16:18:21 -0000 To: 'Ken Javor' <ken.ja...@emccompliance.com>, <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: RE: [PSES] Automated vehicles. Ken For once (!) I am forced to agree with you, as, sadly, you may be correct. OTOH, then we won¹t have stupid b*****s using their mobile/cell phones whilst trying to drive their cars/lorries be ³fun² to see what ensues when two of those collide and the authorities and insurance companies try to apportion blame and decide ³who pays². John E Allen W.London, UK From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Sent: 06 November 2016 16:10 To: john Allen; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Automated vehicles. Regardless of consumer inclination, the inclination of the increasingly authoritarian powers-that-be will be to mandate such automation when it is available, so that regardless of the consumer¹s preferences, automation will be all that is available. This will be done in the name of ³public safety² and I can see a day when the remaining non-automated cars will be ordered off the roads as a danger to the modern fleet. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: john Allen <john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk> Reply-To: john Allen <john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 15:42:40 -0000 To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Automated vehicles. Doug OR, ref your No 2, to use one as a terrorist weapon (a ³suicide² bomb, but without the suicide bit = more ³gain², less ³pain², to the ³user² that is L). BTW: apart from the ³smart² energy meters now installed here, I can¹t see me installing any IoT stuff in the foreseeable future don¹t need it anyway , and I have no intention/inclination whatsoever, nor the money, to purchase/lease an automated vehicle. John E Allen W.London, UK From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: 06 November 2016 02:17 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Automated vehicles. Although it's Saturday, I'll use this as my Friday Question. In light of two recent reports in the InComplisnce Magazine. I feel prompted to ask if anyone on this forum can address a couple of questions. http://incompliancemag.com/u-s-dot-releases-federal-policy-on-automated-vehi cles/ http://incompliancemag.com/uber-self-driving-truck-delivers-budweiser-beer/ Aside from the obvious concerns about vehicle safety, it occurs to me that there two problem that presently are missing in recent media reporting. In particular for the Level 4 & 5 vehicles as described by the SAE and DOT report. 1) I understand that these vehicles, such as the fully automated Budwiser truck have avoidance systems. Given the human condition of today, I foresee the distinct possibility of drivers in other vehicles "playing around" in such a way as to try and force a response from the avoidance algorithms and cause these vehicles to crash themselves. This kind of sport would be exactly what some types would enjoy. What sort of preventative measures have been taken in this regard? 2) Given the lack of attention to hacking we have already witnessed in the Internet of Things (IoT) crowd, how are the driverless vehicle people doing with regard to the cyber security of these vehicles. That is, is it conceivable that someone may try to hack the truck's operating system and hijack it? 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