The general safety requirement for equipment is to be able to be `disconnected” ; a term for having no hazardous voltage inside. A disconnect device is any system within reach of the user that allows to disconnect the apparatus form all live voltage. That can be double pole switch, but also a “double pole” plug. Note the remark “within reach of user”; it limits the length of the mains wire to 1m50 approx. (though not specified in any standard). Permanently connected equipment requires a disconnect switch (double pole) or a mains (wall) connection with an incorporated double pole switch in close proximity and suitable warnings.
Current safety standards address this topic in a non-consistent way, which is a shame, as it is the first topic that comes to mind when thinking of protection against electric shock. I personally think that a double pole on/off switch is much more clear, definite (does what is suggests) and thus safer than a single pole. And the French Schuko with the third (ground) plug cannot be reversed which is a real problem with right angled plugs, as in France sockets are placed close to ground. This is clearly a topic that should be addressed in the mandatory risk analysis within the low voltage directive, in addition to blindly applying the standards clauses. Gert Gremmen Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen, BSc g.grem...@cetest.nl www.cetest.nl Kiotoweg 363 3047 BG Rotterdam T 31(0)104152426 F 31(0)104154953 Before printing, think about the environment. Van: Ted Eckert [mailto:000007cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Verzonden: zaterdag 28 januari 2017 18:07 Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] Double Pole Mains Switches, Cord Connected Products Hello Mike, Single-pole switches are acceptable and typical on plug connected single-phase equipment and sometimes on two-phase equipment. IEC 60950-1 has the somewhat cryptic marking “Double Pole/Neutral Fusing” as indication to service personnel that there may still be live voltage in the equipment even if the switch is off. The symbol is even more cryptic to the average person, but the warning is specified. The intention for plug connected equipment is that the plug serve as the disconnect. Service personnel are to unplug the equipment for servicing to remove all power. You may even have equipment that is rated 208/240 V. In Europe, it would be plugged into line and neutral whereas in North America, it would be plugged into two phases of either a split-phase 120/240 system or two phases of a 120/208 three-phase system. In North America, the switch would never remove voltage from within the equipment but would interrupt current. This is still generally acceptable for plug-connecte! d equipment. Field-wired/permanently connected equipment would require a main disconnect that opens all phases. The installer should be aware of the polarity of the system and the installer should not reverse phase and neutral during wiring. In North America, this allows an equipment disconnect that opens the phases without opening neutral. As such, even with field-wired equipment, it is permissible to have neutral bypass the main disconnect. It has been a while since I had to delve deeply into the electrical codes, so I may be a little off on the field-wired requirements. I encourage any of our esteemed contributors to correct my errors. Best regards, Ted Eckert Microsoft Corporation The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily represent those of my employer. From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2017 8:32 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Double Pole Mains Switches, Cord Connected Products ALL European 2-pin 6 A plugs are reversible, and 3-contact plugs used on the Continent are reversible (there are two kinds, one with 2 power pins and side-contact for earth (called 'Schuko') and one with a third pin for earth). The standards you cite are written so that the product is safe, whichever way round the plug is inserted. You do not need a double-pole switch; in fact that can be a disadvantage, as it brings the two power conductors close together in an assembly with mechanical movement. A short-circuit at some stage in the life of the device is not improbable. Also, the insulation can fail, usually with smoke and small-scale flame, accompanied by a loud noise. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: Mike Sherman ----- Original Message ----- [mailto:msherma...@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2017 4:17 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Double Pole Mains Switches, Cord Connected Products Because of the lack of polarization on many 2 pin European plugs, I have always recommended double pole mains switches on cord connected products for the EU market. However, I am not finding support for this in standards such as 60335-1, 60601-1 or 62368-1. Your thoughts will be appreciated, oh experienced group, on: --safety issue involved --standards that do require double pole (sometimes referred to as "all-pole") mains switches. 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