Dear Steli,
Thanks for your advice! Do National Differences mean National
conditions and National deviations normally in Annex of the
standard?
How can a testing house ignore the National Differences? I
dare to guest the applicants may not decide where the goods to
be sold when applies for the testing. Thus the testing house
either does not test the national differences or test all
national differences. As a commercial testing house, testing
them all will increase the testing charges reducing their
competitive edge on the market. If the applicant indicates the
destined market, the testing house cannot avoid the testing to
national differences and deviations. The buyer must be careful
to accept the supplier’s evidence when they receive those
testing report and see if it fits for purpose.
Regards,
Scott
On 22/7/2017, 6:01 PM, "Steli Loznen" <rshap...@post.tau.ac.il> wrote:
Dear Scott,
In addition to the Mr. Woodgate comment, please be informed that in the frame of the
CB Scheme need to pay attention to "National Differences" on IEC standards.
This is an important issue which not all time is addressed by the testing houses which
issue the CB Test Reports.
Best Regards,
Steli
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Dear John,
It is a good point to note!
Thanks and regards,
Scott
On 22/7/2017, 4:37 PM, "John Woodgate" <jmw1...@btinternet.com> wrote:
The EN and the IEC are *never* identical, especially now that the ENs
have to include a succession of 'Z' annexes. Large parts of the technical
content may well be identical, but the ENs include a lot of European 'baggage',
which can't safely be ignored.
With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only
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Sent: 22 July 2017 09:13
To: John Woodgate <jmw1...@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [PSES] AW: Harmonised standard withdrawn
Hi John,
I notice the CB reports that they will conduct the test according to IEC
standard and the standards for destined market, i.e. EN for EU. As usual, EN
standards are derived from IEC standard. If the IEC standard is listed below
the EN standard without indication of modified, the IEC compliance report can
be used as self-declaration of conformity to the directive due to the fact that
both EN and IEC standards are identical.
Regards,
Scott
On 22/7/2017, 2:24 PM, "John Woodgate" <jmw1...@btinternet.com> wrote:
That isn't a 'listing' of the IEC standards, it's an indication of
what the EN was derived from. You can see that, because some of the IEC
standards are described as '(modified)'.
With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only
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Subject: Re: [PSES] AW: Harmonised standard withdrawn
Dear John,
The attached HS list does have IEC standards. Do they have other
meaning that I might incorrectly interpret it?
Thanks and regards,
Scott
On 22/7/2017, 1:08 AM, "John Woodgate" <jmw1...@btinternet.com>
wrote:
IEC standards are rarely, if ever, notified in the OJ, because
they are not harmonized so all EU/CENELEC countries do not have to accept them.
With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only
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Sent: 21 July 2017 17:50
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Subject: Re: [PSES] AW: Harmonised standard withdrawn
Hi Durrer,
Both IEC and EN 60335-2-24 were in the harmonised standard list
of OJEU before they were removed. Regarding the national standard BS EN
60335-2-24 should be technically identical with EN 60335-2-24. Although it is
still valid in BSI website, the HS removal is due to UK objection. It does not
make sense using BS EN 60335-2-24 to declare the compliance with LVD.
It is good suggestion to take care this known issue in risk
assessment required in LVD. As this issue is being discussed in IEC to EN
standard conversion. For the time being, the latest IEC A2 amendment seems a
reasonable reference to address the fire risk.
Regards,
Scott
On 21/7/2017, 4:16 PM, "Dürrer Bernd" <bernd.duer...@wilo.com>
wrote:
Dear Scott,
The removal of the reference to EN 60335-2-24 from the OJEU
means that compliance with this standard does not provide the presumption of
conformity as defined in Article 12 of LVD. Actually, the nationally adopted
versions of this standard are still valid (e.g. BS EN 60335-2-24,
https://shop.bsigroup.com/ProductDetail/?pid=000000000030236214). As IEC
60335-2-24 is not listed as an international standard in the OJEU, I do not see
any advantage in declaring CE compliance with the IEC version, especially as
the objection raised by the UK against the use of highly flammable materials
would also apply to fridges compliant with IEC 60335-2-24.
As risk analysis (preferably according to CENELEC Guide 32)
is a mandatory part of the technical documentation (LVD, Annex III, Module A,
2.), the manufacturer is bound to consider the findings in UK's objection and
to avoid the use of such materials even if they are compliant with the IEC/EN
standard. Please be aware that the obligations of the manufacturer (LVD, Art.
6) also include the monitoring of products already in the market and to take
corrective measures if it is found that a product presents a risk.
Regarding a new product, you may still refer to EN 60335-2-24, but it
will not give you presumption of conformity. With the CE DoC you declare that your
electrical equipment provides "a high level of protection of health and safety of
persons, and of domestic animals and property" (LVD, Art. 1), using the standard as
a technical means to demonstrate compliance, but considering also risks that are not
adequately addressed in the standard.
Kind regards,
Bernd
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Scott,
You can continue to use EN 60335-1 and reference IEC
60335-2-24 to show compliance. Just because the EN is withdrawn doesn’t mean
the IEC is no longer valid. Knowing now about the plastic issue, maybe you do
some other evaluation method for it to ensure it’s safe to be used in that
application.
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From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:38 AM
To: mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [External] [PSES] Harmonised standard withdrawn
The harmonised standard EN 60335-2-24 is removed from the
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