Hi Scott,
I agree with Ted. The Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU states that the
“Directive shall apply to electrical equipment designed for use with a voltage
rating of between 50 and 1000 V for alternating current and between 75 and 1500
V for direct current” {Article 1}, so the HDMI cables are outside of the
directive’s scope alone and only must meet the safety requirements as an
authorized component of in-scope electrical equipment.
In contrast, HDMI cables are in-scope for the RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU. Read
the RoHS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) in section 5 with the responses to
questions 5.1 to 5.3.
http://ec.europa.eu/environment/waste/rohs_eee/pdf/faq.pdf
Hope this helps.
Monrad Monsen
NOTE: All opinions expressed in this email are wholly my own and are not
necessarily those of any company I work for.
From: Ted Eckert [mailto:000007cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org]
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 3:40 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables
Hello Scott,
I believe that line voltage wires and cables used for electrical distribution
within buildings fall under the Low Voltage Directive. The Construction
Products Directive covers many of the products that form the physical structure
of buildings. It does not cover mechanical and electrical systems. Many
electrical products will still fall under the Low Voltage Directive. However,
the voltage of an HDMI cable is below the lower limit of the Low Voltage
Directive, so it would not be covered.
Here is the specification sheet for a Belden Cat5 Ethernet cable for use inside
of walls. (I am not necessarily recommending Belden. I just expected them to be
more diligent about listing compliance standards than other vendors.)
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covers RoHS, WEEE, ELV, and BFR Directives, all environmentally related. Maybe
I’m missing something, but I don’t see a declaration of any European safety
requirements.
Ted Eckert
Microsoft Corporation
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From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 12:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables
Ted,
I sent the the RoHS FAQ and they agree the cables need to be RoHS. They resist
CE Marking because the cables have UL approvals for use inside walls (read
flammability). They claim there are "matching" safety requirements in the EU
and these were not tested for. So they cannot apply the CE Mark. I contend that
those "matching" EU safety requirements are not CE Marking requirements so do
not apply.
Is anyone aware of any CE Marking requirements for cables used inside walls?
Possibly under Construction Products or General Safety?
Thanks again for all comments.
Scott
On 1/4/2018 6:55 PM, Ted Eckert wrote:
Hello Scott,
There are U.S. and Canadian national differences to many safety standards that
mandates flame resistance for cables such as this. Cables under 3.05 meter in
length must be VW-1 or FT-1 or better in flame rating. (Longer cables are
subject to stricter requirements.) This is why you can find UL approvals on
cables, but not necessarily other international safety certifications for HDMI,
USB and other data cables. The LVD would not apply to an HDMI cable sold on its
own as it is below the lower voltage limit of the scope.
Generally, if the cable is bundled with a product, the cable does not need the
CE marking. If the cable is sold on its own, the CE mark is required for RoHS.
See pages 15 and 16 in the European Commission guidance document.
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From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 6:42 PM
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG"EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables
My opinion is only the RoHS Directive should apply. But my last email from the
ODM tonight says the cables have UL Approvals too, on the cable, on the
connector and then flammability on the assembly. So they think that there must
be some safety directive that applies (and was not tested for). They are
checking with their factory (again).
On 1/4/2018 6:27 PM, Brent DeWitt wrote:
Hi Scott,
Which Directives do you think should apply?
From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 7:00 PM
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG"EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables
I am going around with an ODM making a HDMI cable for us. Standard cable just
has our brand logo molded in the connector shell. Cable is to be used with
Category 4 (ITE) Equipment and is sold separately.
The question is CE Marked or not CE Marked. I say it must be CE Marked and they
say not required. I have been through the directives and FAQ more than a few
times and it seems black and white to me.
They say they talked to three different compliance labs, at least one of which
is familiar to a lot of us on the west coast, and all say not required. They
say their compliance engineers all went to the required training and they all
say not required.
Am I the only one that thinks these HDMI cables need to be CE Marked? Or am I
missing something? Like maybe not required today but required to be marked at
some future date like 2019 maybe?
Last, assuming I am not on some good psychedelics and CE Marking is required on
or for HDMI cables, can I get away with putting the CE Mark on the single unit
package, like a label on the poly bag it is sealed in?
I thank everybody that helps answer the question and keeps me from consuming
more of those pink pills.
Happy New Year to all.
Scott
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