Thanks Brian, I appreciate it. It was a team effort, and I provided regulatory guidance. The team was very receptive to my recommendations, and it shows. BTW - I forgot to mention, it went from an prototype to certification in 4 months time. In a few of my past lives this would have taken six months to two years.
-Doug Douglas E Powell Laporte, Colorado USA doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 11:28 AM Brian Kunde <bkundew...@gmail.com> wrote: > Doug, > > This is a huge accomplishment and you and your entire design team should > be very proud. A celebration of some kind would be expected. For companies > like ours who have been making the same type of products for many years, we > usually pass safety inspections in the first pass because we know what we > are doing and have lots of experience, and have taken our lumps over many > years. But for a start-up or any company making a new type of product, to > pass out of the gate is fantastic and almost unheard of. Good Job!!! all > around. > > The Other Brian > > On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 1:14 AM Douglas E Powell <doug...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> The reason I asked this question is because a company I have been >> consulting with for the last 4 months, has this week successfully had their >> 80 kWh energy storage system reviewed and tested for a UL 9540 listing. >> This a startup company and they achieved first pass certification of their >> product. A limited production certificate was issued and now they are at >> the point where they will want to ramp up for factory certification. I was >> duly impressed and felt priveledged to be a part of the team. I also felt >> this was a very rare achievement and wanted to know the experience of >> others in this regard. >> >> Doug >> >> On Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 8:12 PM Scott Xe <scott...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dear Doug, >>> >>> Very interesting question and I would like to know it as well. Suggest >>> to go to the testing lab for the answer. They should have the statistics >>> in their business. >>> >>> Would you mind sharing why you want to know it, what for? Although I do >>> not have the figures I am aware of the answers why the product cannot pass >>> the test in the first attempt. Below is my experience in dealing with >>> Asian suppliers in the past many years. >>> >>> - No safety engineer to go thru the design against the applicable >>> standards before submitted for testing. >>> - No proper facilities to conduct the pre-tests. >>> - The employer does not recognise the importance of this position >>> and results in no safety engineer in the manufacturer. The design >>> engineer >>> is also not brave enough to tell the employer that they do not have >>> knowledge, experience and test facilities in doing the relevant test work >>> so the employer believes he/she looks after this as well. >>> - The design engineer does not have relevant knowledge and training >>> for the test work. There is little education system in current >>> universities/vocational institutes to help the society. Most test >>> engineers in public test labs are trained by the employers, not from the >>> current educational system. Some small associations (TIC - Testing, >>> Inspection & Certification) from the industry are setting up routes to be >>> certified testing professionals in the current educational system with >>> the >>> help from the Government Industry Department. Just some improvement but >>> not sufficient IMO! >>> >>> Based on the above facts, it leads to other potential issues in the >>> finished products. Even if the product has passed the conformity test, the >>> manufacturer may not know why their design meets the requirements. How can >>> they maintain the compliance in production? If the manufacturer does not >>> have this knowledge, how can they plan their assurance protocol for mass >>> production in order to validate the finished products in compliance with >>> the original design limits before leaving the factory? >>> >>> Best regards, ☺ >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 at 01:56, Douglas E Powell <doug...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Out of curiosity, >>>> >>>> I would like to know (especially from those who have been in the >>>> business for a while) what is your "first pass success rate" for safety >>>> certifications on new product introductions? That is, to achieve a product >>>> safety certification from an accredited laboratory with no action items >>>> required coming out of the preliminary design review. It's helpful if you >>>> can indicate how complex the projects are. >>>> >>>> In my 26 years as a compliance engineer, I've observed possibly three >>>> in total for products with a reasonably high complexity. >>>> >>>> Thanks! Doug >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Douglas E Powell >>>> doug...@gmail.com >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 >>>> >>>> - >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society >>>> emc-pstc discussion list. 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