A company once made glassware. They could not figure out why it did not hold water. They hired an engineer who told them to put a bottom on the glass. It held water. The manager that hired the engineer left the company and a new manager was hired. He asked why this engineer was hired and did not see the reason for him. So he left and the company went back to making glass ware the old way. To this day, their glasses don't hold water and they can't figure out why.
[cid:image001.png@01D769B9.861B47C0] Dennis Ward Senior Reviewing Engineer PCTEST Engineering Laboratory, LLC. 7185 Oakland Mills Road Columbia, MD 21045 1 410 290 6652) dennis.w...@pctest.com<mailto:dennis.w...@pctest.com> | www.pctest.com<http://www.pctest.com/> | www.element.com<http://www.element.com/> This communication and any attachment contain information from PCTEST Engineering Laboratory, LLC. and is intended for the exclusive use of the recipient(s) named above. From: Ken Javor <ken.ja...@emccompliance.com> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 11:19 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Friday question CAUTION:This email originated from outside of Element Materials Technology. DO NOT click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Please contact IT Service Desk if you are in any doubt about this email. Second hand info. A colleague of mine, Mark Nave, was hired as an EMC engineer by Network Appliance in the early 2000s. He took them to regularly passing the first time through. After awhile, the VP who hired him retired or moved on, and the new VP didn't have the history of not passing changing to passing. He questioned why they had even hired Mark - what did he do for them? Mark got angry, and left. End of story. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 ________________________________ From: "doug...@gmail.com<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdougp01%40gmail.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cdennis.ward%40pctest.com%7C88845358842842b9057908d93805b82a%7C048204512a274c35a1d499fa8eb67e80%7C0%7C0%7C637602419500861154%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Nom7a7UXJ527bnHkRi089mpkt%2FDZGEEGtcrkYwkoZC4%3D&reserved=0>" <doug...@gmail.com<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdougp01%40gmail.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cdennis.ward%40pctest.com%7C88845358842842b9057908d93805b82a%7C048204512a274c35a1d499fa8eb67e80%7C0%7C0%7C637602419500871151%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=iCgNp4bLIAoGj1%2Bj7P21VhQyduj327%2FPrX0USjvQJLc%3D&reserved=0>> Reply-To: "doug...@gmail.com<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdougp01%40gmail.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cdennis.ward%40pctest.com%7C88845358842842b9057908d93805b82a%7C048204512a274c35a1d499fa8eb67e80%7C0%7C0%7C637602419500881144%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=ug8L%2FH4r8teqYsXZbKKn8PlcXv2tMTeTZ6hdztJMg6M%3D&reserved=0>" <doug...@gmail.com<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdougp01%40gmail.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cdennis.ward%40pctest.com%7C88845358842842b9057908d93805b82a%7C048204512a274c35a1d499fa8eb67e80%7C0%7C0%7C637602419500881144%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=ug8L%2FH4r8teqYsXZbKKn8PlcXv2tMTeTZ6hdztJMg6M%3D&reserved=0>> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 11:55:26 -0600 To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2FEMC-PSTC%40listserv.ieee.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cdennis.ward%40pctest.com%7C88845358842842b9057908d93805b82a%7C048204512a274c35a1d499fa8eb67e80%7C0%7C0%7C637602419500891140%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=025qsm7rXjTtDwVfVSOWxOFQgNnxNymL9EfWpX0yzbE%3D&reserved=0>> Subject: [PSES] Friday question Out of curiosity, I would like to know (especially from those who have been in the business for a while) what is your "first pass success rate" for safety certifications on new product introductions? That is, to achieve a product safety certification from an accredited laboratory with no action items required coming out of the preliminary design review. It's helpful if you can indicate how complex the projects are. In my 26 years as a compliance engineer, I've observed possibly three in total for products with a reasonably high complexity. Thanks! 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