On Sunday, May 06, 2012 06:38:05 PM Dave did opine: > On 5/6/2012 3:02 PM, gene heskett wrote: > > On Sunday, May 06, 2012 03:01:18 PM Dave did opine: > >> On 5/6/2012 2:31 PM, gene heskett wrote: > >>> On Sunday, May 06, 2012 02:12:18 PM John Prentice did opine: > >>>> Gene - greetings > >>>> > >>>>>> As an aside, as many nets are best written on one line, inventing > >>>>>> the signal name is tedious. It would suit me to allow a wildcard, > >>>>>> "*" or whatever, as signalname and HAL would invent a unique > >>>>>> internal name for its own purposes. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> John Prentice > >>>>> > >>>>> While that might be kewl, how the heck would us humans trace it? > >>>> > >>>> You just see the pins connected together on the line of text. > >>> > >>> Humm, John, with one addition to that concept, I can see it > >>> actually being pretty useful. > >>> > >>> That addition would be to change the font to bold to hilight signal > >>> srcs, while leaving loads in plain text. BiDi stuff in both bold > >>> and italic. Throw an underline under the wires name, sig1 sig2 etc. > >>> Or, if color is available, colorize the output. The idea being to > >>> make the organizational errors much easier to spot. Save red for > >>> real errors& don't use yellow, its too light to read well on > >>> paper. > >>> > >>> Flow chart boxes would be nice, but this would be useful too. > >>> > >>>> An analogy in our electrical world is that you need wire names > >>>> (more often numbers in my work) between modules or boards but > >>>> don't need them inside a unit as the connections are intimate, > >>>> generally obvious and often very numerous. I know that PCB layout > >>>> systems generally enforce naming of everything but this too is > >>>> cumbersome (e.g. for xtal oscillator, compensation RCs tied to a > >>>> chip) > >>>> > >>>> The more names I type the more typos I make - but as I say it is > >>>> only an aside while we were exploring HAL. > >>> > >>> I thought I was the only one with arthritic, not too accurate a > >>> finger placement on the keyboard, glad to know I have company. :) > >>> The only keyboard I really like is a 15 year old IBM clickomatic, > >>> it doesn't register a key until its fully depressed& made the > >>> click. Unforch it drives the woof batty with its noise& she is > >>> watching tv 20 feet of hallway& 3 rooms away. All the rest > >>> register the adjacent key if you only move it .002" because my fat > >>> finger didn't hit the right key perfectly dead center. Its a > >>> maddening PIMA on this $80 wireless logitech that the lubricants > >>> have all dried out in. That, and having the matching mouse put > >>> itself to sleep and you have to click a button to wake it up. > >>> Grrrr. > >>> > >>>> John Prentice > >>> > >>> Cheers John, Gene > >> > >> What I have done for more complicated Hal setups is to use a > >> flowcharting program like Visio to layout my ideas. > >> Then when I am writing the hal files I can reference the signal names > >> to the nodes on the flowcharting program. > >> That makes the ideas clear even though the resulting Hal file may not > >> be after it is written. > >> > >> This also helps in debug and documentation. > >> > >> Dave > > > > Dave: Is that Visio a linux program, or winderz? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Cheers, Gene > > Windoze... Microsoft no less. They bought it long ago. Still, it > is a really nice flowcharting program. > > Dia for Linux might be very similar.
I already have it installed, looks promising, thanks Dave. > http://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/visio-for-ubuntu-linux-di > a-diagram-editor/ > > Dave > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. > Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the > latest in malware threats. > http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: <http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene> They call them "squares" because it's the most complicated shape they can deal with. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ _______________________________________________ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
