On Wed, 23 May 2012 23:36:39 -0400
"Kent A. Reed" <kentallanr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 5/23/2012 11:03 PM, gene heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:42:23 PM Kent A. Reed did opine:
> >
> >> On 5/23/2012 9:42 PM, gene heskett wrote:
> >>> BP nipples using #209 primer
> >> That certainly was a "shot in the dark" given the nature of this
> >> group, Gene. I'd think there are gunsmithing and shooting groups
> >> online that are better able to answer.
> >>
> >> Just for grins, I stuck the above line into Google and got back
> >> pages of hits. Most, I'm sure, aren't the specific answer to your
> >> specific question, but it shows there's lots else is out there on
> >> sites with root names like knightrifles.com, gunloads.com,
> >> thehighroad.org, mlagb.com, tcarms.com, ammosmith.com,
> >> thefiringline.com, huntingnet.com.
> >>
> >> Good luck.
> > So did I Kent (Google that is), lots of hits, but mostly SWAG's.  I
> > am inclined to give the 5 hole design a 2nd try, but with #74 holes
> > instead of #68's, as that seems to have all the quacks and waddles
> > of a duck called too much.  We'll see as soon as the weather clears
> > and its not the weekend. There is a small, very old but well
> > maintained, cemetery across the parking lot from the range and a
> > notice hanging on a roof support post that it will be closed Sunday
> > and Monday out of respect for the cemetery visitors.
> >
> > One thing that seems to run a common thread is the requirement for
> > a rigid, low headspace support behind the #209 primer, like the
> > Omega has. It closes on the primer, holding it solidly with no
> > headspace at all.  Anything that allows primer gasses another exit
> > besides the flash hole(s) seems to be considered very poor form.
> > And this one will need a latch designed to catch and hold the
> > striker in the fired position before that no leakage condition will
> > be a reality.
> >
> > As for the blowback, I think the latch is the best solution, short
> > of declaring this particular design a total loss.  I've got too
> > much time in carving not one, but 2 stocks for it over the years
> > I've had it, and I like my artwork.  Maple, thumbhole style, cherry
> > grip&  tip caps, thick recoil pad, the obvious giveaway is the BP
> > ramrod hanging under the barrel, otherwise it looks like a pretty
> > modern gun.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene
> 
> And of course Dave did answer your query, which proves once again the 
> breadth of knowledge in this group.
> 
> I never had a hankering for BP long guns but there sure are a lot of 
> enthusiasts in this area of Western MD, Northern VA, and WV. There's
> no shortage of volunteers for any battlefield reenactment.
> 
> The latch sounds like a good idea (I hate thinking about anything, 
> striker, gas, or otherwise, kicking toward your face) but I have no
> idea how hard it will be to implement.
> 
> Now BP cannons I could see myself getting involved with...kind of an 
> East Coast mythbuster...making smoke and noise in equal quantities
> and bouncing cannonballs through peoples' backdoors. Heck, they even
> get paid to do it.
> 
> Regards,
> Kent
> 
I'd feel better is the cover/latch had a gas vent to move gas away from
the shooter if something ruptures. Some muzzleloaders drill a small
vent hole coaxial with the drum; apparently it helps ignition but I
don't know why. There was a story in "Muzzle Blasts" about a
muzzleloader the owner called "old butt burner". It really spewed a
flame to the right when it fired. The shooter to the right was bending
over with his rear too close to the vent and he did a dive over his
bench when it went off. 
The cleanest solution I've seen was a .25 pistol cartridge (CF) used to
ignite the charge. About at the end of the active use of muzzleloading
shotguns some were ignited by .22 rimfire with powder but, of course,
no lead. However, mz shotguns operate at about 8 Ksi opposed to rifle
that may go as high as 25 Ksi with 18 Ksi being more normal. .22
rimfire are at about 11 Ksi. 

Most of the guys I know are using CCI Magnum #11 caps and getting good
ignition. 

A couple of years ago I did a golf ball mortar using plain old
fashioned fuse; was good for about 150 yards. :-)

'Nuf rambling for this time of the night. 

Dave
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