On 2014-11-26 22:12, Peter C. Wallace wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Nov 2014, Karlsson & Wang wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:53:56 +0100
>> From: Karlsson & Wang <[email protected]>
>> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
>>      <[email protected]>
>> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] EMC communication problem then motor start
>>
>> The switching is very fast because gate transistor is 10 ohm so I will 
>> increase as an intermediate solution. The problem is however still 
>> interesting because it is so common.
>>
>> Nicklas Karlsson
>>
> One option that helps a lot on PWM drives is a common mode choke on the PWM
> outputs (a large ferrite bead on the 2 (DC) or 3 (AC) motor wires). One major
> problem with PWM outputs without slew rate limiting driving motor windings is
> the nearly unlimited current spike that happens at switching time because
> of the very fast slew rate PWM signal driving into wiring/ motor winding to
> ground capacitance.
>
Would you place the bead closer to the drive or closer to the motor?

>
>
>>
>> On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 19:34:44 +0000
>> David Armstrong <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> i normaly make sure that all low voltage wiring is sheilded and watch for
>>> ground loops and vfd inputs are via filters and Balance transformers ,
>>> ethernet coms are usually problem free so long as you use good cables and
>>> not the cheap Aluminium wire ones as they are using balanced paired cores
>>>   , in 2 real major projects i ended up passing the low volt cables inside
>>> sheilding cut from ur67 coax
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26 November 2014 at 18:40, Karlsson & Wang <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have tried with USB isolator made with Icoupler devices from analog
>>>> devices on other products without luck. I am using ethernet which I think
>>>> have a isolation transformer. I do not think there are any tolerances for
>>>> missed packets right now. For serial communication I have tried opto
>>>> couplers without with some improvement. I have also tried isolation devices
>>>> from I think Texas instruments made from differential drive over two
>>>> capacitors and they are great but I do not think I could use them for
>>>> 100Mbit ethernet.
>>>>
>>>> I will increase tolerance for missed packets to be able to measure
>>>> percentage of lost packets, it is not perfect but better than nothing. I
>>>> will also add a common mode inductor and maybe a shielded cable.
>>>>
>>>> I have encountered the problem on several products so it is not isolated
>>>> to just this one I built myself.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nicklas Karlsson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 19:28:25 +0200
>>>> Marius Liebenberg <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have had many problems with USB communications with motors and plasma.
>>>>> You can overcome these by putting an electrically isolated barrier in
>>>>> the usb line. There are some chips from Linear (LTM2448) that will do
>>>>> just that. The equipment on either end cannot be connected to the same
>>>>> ground or supply if you go this route.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2014-11-26 19:07, Karlsson & Wang wrote:
>>>>>> PWM is great for efficient motor but unfortunately it is also very
>>>> good at disturbing digital communication. Do anybody had any problems with
>>>> the communication errors then motor start?
>>>>>> Nicklas Karlsson
>>>>>>
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