It's really not nearly as interesting as it sounds.  It start out as a 2 
spindle Digital Tool CNC Router.  Eventually both spindles were replaced with 3 
Porter Cable Routers, inelegantly mounted to the W and Z axis.  It is a major 
pain to change tooling on (each of the 3 tools on each vertical axis have to be 
set to precisely the same depth, with the only adjustment being how far the 
tool is inserted into the collet.  Replaceable insert tip engraving tooling has 
been a god send for this machine.  I used to spend a couple hours every 2-3 
days changing tools on that pos.  The overloaded bearings and ways on W, Z and 
X axis don't hold up very well and I have to overhaul the thing periodically.

Our 3phase is not the wild leg variety.  The new 3ph breaker will be replacing 
3 of the 9 old 110 breakers in one of our LV main panels.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Heskett" <ghesk...@wdtv.com>
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 2:54:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Rewire Question?

On Friday 05 February 2016 23:22:35 Dave Cole wrote:

> I'm familiar with Hill Billy engineering..
>
> Be careful when taking single phase off 3 phase.   Phase to neutral is
> what you want of course, but if you somehow make a wiring mistake (or
> they did in the past), you can easily get line to line voltage in a
> place you don't want it to be.    The result can be large amounts of
> smoke and some fire!  Don't ask how I know this...  :-/
>
> Dave

In my old home stomping grounds of central Iowa, we called that Shade 
Tree Mechanicing.  6 of one, half a dozen of the other. :)

But in splitting off a 3 phase circuit, I'd sure want to be assured it 
wasn't setup by the power folks as a "wild leg" circuit that was popular 
65 years ago. The only fix for that, that is IMO correct, is a delta 
primary, 1/1 ratio but wye secondary isolation transformer of suitable 
kilowatt rating.  And just to be a jerk about it, I'd sue to put it in 
front of the electrical metering, making the power company absorb the 3 
to 5% loses in such a setup.

> On 2/5/2016 11:09 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
> > This is the last of our old grandfathered in hill billy engineer
> > machines that I have to bring into the modern era.  Adding an e-stop
> > system is in the plan as well.  I am still amazed that the
> > electrical contractor who installed the machine when we moved to the
> > new shop in 2008 agreed to put it in this way.
> >
> > My plan was to put in a new panel with a disconnect and feed it with
> > a 40amp 3-phase breaker from the main panel.  Then from the
> > disconnect split it off into 9 single phase breakers.  There already
> > are contactors and such in the control system, adding the e-stop
> > loop will be very easy.

Sounds like an interesting machine.  I know where there is an 8 spindle 
machine, at a split rail fenceing maker, but I believe that one has just 
2 motors, one for each 4 spindles.  It does the rail holes in the  
fenceposts, doing the 3 holes each in a 3 rail fencepost, in 8 posts at 
once in about 2 minutes, not counting the load/unload time.

By brute force, I don't think the tooling has been sharpened in a decade.  
So the holes are ragged & splintery, but its still (shrug) a usable 
hole.  Probably have 20 such posts wrapped around my place.  But the 
original installer spaced them about 2 feet closer together than std, so 
when I have to replace a rotted rail, I have to saw off a couple feet of 
one of those rails, and get out my electric hand plane to put a new 
taper on the end of the rail.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
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