On 01/06/17 15:55, Nicklas Karlsson wrote: >> Nicklashello >> the time from voltage turn-on until the voltage dropis the ionization time >> this can be used as an indication of the gap 'clean'. >> >> as the cut progresses and more debris is generated, >> this time measure will change and decrease >> because the debris will reducethedielectric quality (the anti-conducting >> quality). > Time for a peck cycle? no the ionization time decreases as the conductivity increases ( due to debris in the oil, makes it more conductive ) > >> IF the time is too small, >> then the gap is dimensionally too small ( too close ) >> or too dirty ( needs 'peck' cycle ) >> or more fluid flow ( sweep up the dirt ) >> or more offtime or a combination of these >> >> this ionization monitor cause & effect loop should be faster than 100mS >> you cant change flow rates that quickly but you can add offtime to >> subsequent pulses >> other strategies are in scientific papers >> >> re: The sparc counter >> not sure what the count deal with yet >> it sounds like you could get a number related to (sparcs_attempted / >> sparcs_actual) = sparc_efficiency >> and then see if adjusting edm servo target voltage or offtime would >> increae that ratio > Yes "ionizations attempted"/"sparcs", then to high a peck cycle is needed? well, the ionization time is a better indication that peck cycle is needed and ionizations attempted / sparcs ( a low percentage ) can be used to indicate offtime needs to be increased and/or gap distance needs to be increased
if changing offtime or gap distance has no appreciable effect, its usually best to return to previous values no effect indicates the system is tuned well enough already > >> adaptive control in edm is a great idea >> BUT >> make sure the adaptive control can be turned off! >> many times in AGie and Elox and Mitsubishi cutting, we found that >> turning the autopilots off was neccesary >> ( let ME drive the damn thing!) > I wait with adaptive control until I figured out how it works but to present > some kind of average seems like a good idea. > > There is: > Number of ionizations. > Number of sparc. > Some theorethical numbers. > It might also be possible to measure some times like time to ionization or > other if this provide some useful information. i thought you were measuring time to ionize already, so i am not clear on what the 'number of ionizations' vs 'number of sparcs' means one ionization to me is [ a rise of voltage towards Uopen, then a drop towards Udischarge ] i think you must have a different event for one count, like just the rise a rise ( without a fall ) will occur when tool is too far away from work to sparc yes, get some experience before tackling adaptive control system watch a lot of sparcs! they are quite interesting visually, on voltage scope, on current scope, on frequency domain scope just for interest the auto jump is very important for thin deep slots ( called 'ribs' ) and heres a paper with a pulse discriminator, and auto jump circuit description ( no schematic or CPLD code :-((( https://www.researchgate.net/publication/251896377_Control_Strategy_for_High_Speed_Electrical_Discharge_Machining_Die-sinking_EDM_Equipped_with_Linear_Motors HTH tomp tjtr33 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
