On Friday 11 May 2018 03:32:39 Erik Christiansen wrote:

> On 11.05.18 01:25, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Thursday 10 May 2018 22:23:56 Erik Christiansen wrote:
> > > But, whoa. I'm also not fully across the need for bore adjustment.
> > > As taps are ground from a few stock sizes, only those few sizes of
> > > tap hat bore are needed. While I found a drill close enough for
> > > one size, and bored the other, if I had to make a bunch of the
> > > latter, I'd probably make up a D-bit reamer, and keep it with the
> > > tap hat kit.
> >
> > Looking at my tap collection, I'd guess it will take not less than
> > 10 different drills to bore the thru holes to fit the tap shanks. I
> > have a very mixed origin tap collection, And the metric stuff all is
> > Chinese, quality from junk to very good.
>
> Hmmm. Then I'd bore the odd ones to size ... when I needed 'em. Just
> keep enough brass sleeves to hand, drilled out enough for the small
> boring bar to go in.
>
> > And I'm trying to dream up a way to mill a square in the rear, where
> > the square but of the tap will be, and since I have one of those
> > kilowatt induction heaters, figure out how to pour a lower melting
> > point alloy of some sort to fix the square tap butt into the square
> > in the rear of the brass holder, as thats a bunch easier than all
> > that drilling and tapping for set screws. High silver alloy solder
> > comes to mind as its some pretty tough stuff. But would that heat,
> > maybe 850-900F kill the tap?
>
> Urrgh. Wet flannel around the business end of the tap ought to protect
> against the brutality inflicted on the other end, but there are better
> ways to skin a cat than with a flamethrower.
>
Chuckle. I figure thats the best test to find out if the cat is really 
dead though.

> How's this size up?: Radially slot the top end of the tap hat body to
> provide two internal flats to grip the tap square, then drill/bore
> from the other end to take the tap. If you overshoot, then the middle
> of each flat will go, but the outer third or so on each side will
> remain unless the square end of the tap has been made unnaturally
> small.

I don't have a tap whose diagonal across the square isn't a few thou 
smaller than its shank.

> But hold on, what keeps the tap captive then? I'm sticking with 
> the grubscrews.
>
> > If I do the set screw thing, I'll need them in 2mm to 6mm, or maybe
> > even 8mm for the biggest ones.
>
> Well, you could MIG tack weld the top of the taps into steel tap hats
> - that wouldn't conduct much heat to the other end, but that's rough
> treatment too. A box or three of grubscrews off fleabay won't add up
> to much cost. The last boxful I bought was M3 to M10, IIRC. You might
> do better buying plastic bags of each size, for quantity.
>
Thats what I'm going to do, something with a bit of length so an allen or 
bristol wrench has a decent chance of driving it well. I just need to 
get off my duff and get a few boxes ordered. 100 count boxes.

> > Thats not counting a 20 kg bag of 1.5" to 4"ers for pipe I found
> > while cleaning up the old home place after Dee's brother died. None
> > in good shape, broken teeth etc. He worked for one of the local gas
> > companies as a mech at a pumping station.

> Rigid tapping with the 4"er might challenge the machine ... not least
> getting the job under the spindle, I figure.

Challenge the machine?  Understatement.  Stall the motor and break the 
plastic gears. And I've not seen a set of metal gears to fit the g0704 
being offered.

> > Stay warm Erik, it should be getting toward keeping the wood stove
> > crackling in your neck of the woods. Its been up as high as 89F here
> > already.
>
> The hills here are smaller than yours (I'm only at 600' altitude), but
> with 40F less than at your place, the heater's earning its keep
> already.
>
> Erik

I'm not that high either, 1000-1100' maybe. The "mountain" our old ntsc 
transmitter is on since 1955 or so, is called Fisher Hill, 1620 feet at 
the base of a 509' tower and antenna. Costs more to take it down than 
its worth as salvage, so they are keeping the lights on. I'm the light 
watcher/failure reporter as I can see it from my place. :)

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
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