In Los Angeles City, County, and in Burbank (where I work), it has been the rule that everything used in a facility must carry the UL tag or a testing certificate from an accredited testing facility. It has been this way for a few decades now! that is when lots of companies started to use UL approved wall warts for all of their products.
--J. Ray Mitchell Jr. “I predict future happiness for Americans, if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” THOMAS JEFFERSON On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 1:22 PM Dave Cole <linuxcncro...@gmail.com> wrote: > IMO, your building inspector is stepping way outside of his authority. > His job is "building" inspection. You got a permit for your "building" > project. Not for some machine sitting in your building. > > Unless your mill is part of the "building", he is way outside of his > authority. > > If your mill is hardwired into your electrical system, that may be a > problem. You may need to have a plug and receptacle for your mill, with > the appropriate branch circuit protection (circuit breaker or fuse, etc) > for the outlet. > > I would ask specifically why he believes your machine must be stamped > when it is not part of your building. Record exactly what he says. > Try and do as much in writing as possible. Emails work. Ask them what > standard codes they follow and ask them to cite the sections of the code > they are basing their decision on. Then appeal his decision. Tell > the guy you mean no disrespect, but that you disagree with his decision > and want to appeal it. > They should have a process to do that. Chances are that his boss will > not support his decision. Unless everything used in your county is > required to be UL approved (very unlikely), I think his decision will be > overturned. 7 engineers in the state who can apply a stamp are > inadequate to cover all of WA state! Just make sure you are decent > about it. People become irrational when they feel attacked. > If they push back you need to remind them that you are suffering from > loss of use due to what you believe is an arbitrary decision. > > Do you know any lawyers in the area? If you can, you want to copy a > lawyer on all of your correspondence. The lawyer doesn't need to do > anything typically if you follow the appeals process. But including > legal counsel raises the bar significantly on their part. Tell the > lawyer you want to copy them in case they are needed. Etc. > When things get sticky for the inspectors, and you have legit arguments, > they will typically back off. Getting legal counsel involved is > incredibly sticky since they have to get "their" legal counsel involved > as well, and that costs $$, it sparks internal meetings. Lots of > paperwork, etc. Suddenly you turn into a plague on the department. > > I do industrial integration and have been doing it since 2003. I have > LinuxCNC machines running in plants everyday. > But I'm in Indiana. > > Dave > > > On 7/28/2021 3:14 PM, Ralph Stirling wrote: > > I'm in a bind now. I just had the electrical wiring I put > > into my garage shop inspected. The WA state inspector > > liked my wiring fine, but balked at the non-UL-listed > > CNC mill (the main point to my whole garage shop project). > > He insists it get stamped by one of the *seven* official > > "approved engineers" for the state of WA before he can > > sign off on my electric. I suspect that the field approval > > would cost considerably more than my entire mill (1998 > > vintage French 5hp spindle, 300x200x300mm travels, > > $5K). Didn't matter to him that the new VFD is listed. > > > > Any other US-based, especially WA-based LinuxCNC > > retrofitters faced this problem successfully? > > > > Thanks, > > -- Ralph > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > _______________________________________________ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
