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Thanks, this is - for me! - useful and welcome; the language questions you outline obviously espouse those I deal with in French, though I'm not aware of "embodiment" being integrated as a solution - l'incorporation and l'incarnation have tricky resonance, as you say. In the mystical vein, "transsubstantiation" can perhaps interestingly (and translatably) get closer to interim/ limbo zones some of the list's reflection about "virtual embodiment" seems to touch on ("intertwinedness in-and-as-the system", as per Sue's last posting). I'd love to hear more on your take on ghosts and haunting and resonance, Sue, as I'm also grappling with this stuff -
If we are going in that direction, maybe a meditation on "hypostasis", then, while speaking of Self and Other at once:
"The Self will never share the same point-of-view as the Other. My eyes cannot be collocated with yours. I may exchange places with you, but when all is change along the arrow of time, what you experienced there and then, I cannot experience there and now. The interstitial chasm exists within constant change and flow and it exists as long as life is embodied. Some models of transcendence suggest a unification, an omniscient one-ness, after embodiment ends, but here and now we all face the challenge of hypostasis, that puzzling duality of existing in a transitory and substantial body now and yet connected with an apparently detachable spirit before and after."
I always felt like that when doing networked performances over the years... jh -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dr. John Hopkins, BSc, MFA, PhD grounded on a granite batholith twitter: @neoscenes http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ empyre forum empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au http://www.subtle.net/empyre