On Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 21:36:56 (-0700),
Arlo wrote:
> The time put into etk is paid by those that work on it; so if they
> felt it was worth the time, then let them spend it. They don't HAVE
> to work on the syndicated project. Introducing a competitor they
> way they did may have been surprising, but it's not illegitimate.
I will refer you to my previous posts rather than rehashing old
conversations.
> Those "defending" the ewl camp should reconsider consider why they
> are so adamant about defending it. If etk is indeed better than the
> end user deserves etk. If there are in fact flaws within ewl, then
> etk ought to at least help expose those through competition. To
> censor etk because you feel threatened is arrogant.
This entire paragraph exists solely because its author has failed to
adequately comprehend or correctly interpret the discussion to this
point.
No one feels threatened. Frustrated? Yes. Confused? Absolutely.
Discouraged? A bit. Why? Let's review some facts:
1. Simon has spoken out against EWL.
2. Simon has mentioned specific flaws in EWL which are (were?) easily
fixed.
3. Simon has demonstrated twice now that he prefers to do his own
thing (first eclair, now ETK) rather than work with what's already
there (euphoria, EWL), though he doesn't really say why exactly.
4. People have worked very hard on EWL and are quite satisfied with
its design and its progress to date.
5. Their work has been dismissed out of hand, with little or no
reason, by a fellow developer who obviously possesses the talent
to spot problems *and* the talent to contribute to any project he
chooses to.
The inescapable conclusion based on this progression of facts is that
there must be something fundamentally wrong with EWL in Simon's mind.
But what is it?
We don't know the answer to that question; only Simon does. But that
answer is significant and important to both projects, and to E as a
whole. So we *will* wait for it.
> The only foul play that can arise from this is through bias and
> advertising. If people become convinced that ewl or etk is better
> than the other without basing the claim on facts THAT will cause the
> project to suffer.
Thank you for restating my point, albeit in different words. :)
> Decisions need to come from clear reasoning and facts.
Couldn't agree more.
> If you don't like it, ignore it, or better yet, explain why you
> don't like it or what it lacks or why your design is better.
The irony, of course, is that this is exactly what we're asking of
Simon. We cannot respond to mere claims like "ETK is better than
EWL." We need, as you put it, clear reasoning and facts.
> Like others have stated, competition is generally a good thing, but
> cooperation would be even better.
Bingo.
> Though for that to happen people need to calm down first and be
> reasonable, as Raster said.
Raster knows me, though many here don't, so he knows the following
about me:
1. I'm very blunt and direct. I call it like I see it, and I don't
mince words.
2. I'm honest, perhaps overly so. If I see someone doing or saying
something moronic, I'm far more likely to say, "You're a moron,"
than to say, "You may want to re-examine your words/actions as
they do not seem as well-thought-out as they should, in my
opinion, be."
3. I come across more harshly than I actually am. While I may seem
angry, I rarely am. I don't get agitated easily.
4. I don't readily back down.
Michael
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