1.  Yes I'm referring to the sponsored hosting Mike referenced.  As to
whether or not that is ideal - that is one of the reasons I wanted to see
people's opinions on the slowvote.

2. I'm well aware you spent time on the thread and played with the
prototype.  I'm also aware that not all questions are answered :)  What I
blamed Marcel for was not expressing his concerns more in the thread - but
perhaps this was too harsh.  The thread got pretty much hijacked with
arguments about our current infra.  So here is what we know.  Mike is
willing teach and help with migration - Johnathan Aquilna is willing to put
forth a large effort with it and is a sysadmin.  I am willing to help and
do it.  There are others as well.  Yes there are no guarantees and it will
take work.  What I'm interested in with the vote, is whether or not the
community even wants to go this direction and what kind of infrastructure
they want for it.

3.  Gitlab CI would not be intended to be integrated with Travis, but
replace it.  This doesn't have to be on our own infra - but it can be
either way.  There are many options here.  But again these are decisions
that would have to be made.  Right now I'm trying to gauge from the
community whether or not it is worth putting in the time to develop plans
and debate a focused end goal and how to get there.

Gitlab CI vs Travis CI
https://about.gitlab.com/comparison/gitlab-vs-travis-ci.html



On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 10:57 AM Stefan Schmidt <ste...@datenfreihafen.org>
wrote:

> Hello.
>
> On 9/26/18 5:30 PM, Stephen Houston wrote:
> > A. We were assured the server could be provided free of charge.  I.E.
> > "Sponsored" not bought or paid for as you and raster seem to think
> > sponsored means.
>
> The server you mentioned here is the cloud hosting Mike offered? I read
> nothing besides that. No details on who is sponsoring, how long, on a
> monthly basis (could be canceled any time) or one big chunk to be
> managed by the EFL foundation, etc.
>
> Relying on sponsorship for critical infrastructure is difficult for an
> open source project. Not impossible, but difficult. You basically base
> your trust on business decisions not changing in a company.
>
> Without a clear pledge on the sponsorship level in terms of length and
> amount this option sounds really problematic to me.
>
> >
> > B. If you would have spent the last month or so since that Gitlab thread
> > started actually testing or using the prototype set up, you would see
> that
> > gitlab provides a web interface for git, so no need for cgit.  Obviously
> > phab provides a wiki and gitlab provides a wiki so the move from phab to
> > gitlab would move phab's wiki to gitlab's wiki.
>
> I spent time on the thread, looked at the prototype and raised
> questions. Not all have been answered nor have they all been fully
> dissected. Wiki is per project in Gitlab and not overall like Phab, we
> use cgit while phab also offers a git web interface, etc.
>
> Blaming Marcel for not spending time on the thread is pretty harsh if
> many of these things have not been answered and are still in "to be
> found out" state.
>
>  Again these are trivial
> > things that could have/should have been discussed for the many weeks that
> > has thread has been there.  CI was also mentioned.  It's a huge problem
> > with e5 and Stefan explained this.  Gitlab has some really good CI tools,
> > but obviously that is one of the biggest considerations in moving as
> Stefan
> > clearly laid out.  CI with E5 is crap.
>
> How would Gitlab help with the CI situation? I see no good integration
> with things like Travis for it (if I missed it I am happy to get pointed
> to it). It basically means we would move our CI over to Gitlab and all
> builds run on our infra (cloud/or hardware). That could easily bring
> back the overloading problems we had on e5. I am very hesitant in buying
> into using Gitlab for CI without enough knowledge about it.
>
> regards
> Stefan Schmidt
>
>
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