Nick Hughart wrote: > Christopher Michael wrote: >> Nick Hughart wrote: >>> Hisham Mardam Bey wrote: >>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:46 PM, dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 3-Aug-08, at 1:27 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hey, but that's ok for _YOU_, isn't it?! You already said it's fine >>>>>> and that's exactly the purpose to use BSD over LGPL. We're just being >>>>>> more friendly and instead of keeping it proprietary. >>>>>> >>>>> People contributing to the community? Sure that's ok for me. That's ok >>>>> for everyone I believe. I think that's kinda the point. People >>>>> contributing to the community works perfectly well under BSD and has >>>>> been working perfectly well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Dan, if you're referring to the EFL community, then I really think you >>>> should look at just how many active contributors we have. The number >>>> of people contributing to CVS is tiny, I wouldn't exactly use the word >>>> "perfect" to describe this situation, unless of course you think that >>>> 5 or less people contributing code and a couple hundred users that >>>> like to experiment with "alternate desktop environments" constitute >>>> what you'd call a "community working perfectly well". In 10 years >>>> time, we've made almost no noticible progress when it comes to growing >>>> the EFL developer or user base. We're still regarded as a niche and >>>> elitist group both in developer and user land. I believe its time to >>>> change the rules of the game and see what happens, specially given the >>>> fact that developers backed by companies are showing interest in >>>> contributing code under LGPL (and are starting to pave the future path >>>> of the EFL by doing so). >>>> >>> >>> And we are to assume it was the license all along? I can't say I >>> agree with that. In fact I think it has nothing to do with the >>> license, but possibly with the people involved. Raster is a >>> developer, not a marketing machine and as far as I've been part of >>> this community, I haven't seen anyone step forward to really act as >>> the lead of a marketing type department for E. Also, has usage of >>> open source in the corporate world been the same over the last 10 >>> years? Did the introduction of the LGPL all the sudden accelerate >>> open source into corporate use? I don't think it has as much to do >>> with the license as it does with the people who are in the >>> community. If we've pushed away people who could help in this dept >>> then that was our fault. >>> >> Totally agree with Nick here. My thoughts exactly. >> >>> I think the biggest fear the community has is that letting in >>> excessive amounts of devs will hurt the high performance and >>> stability measures that we keep around here (I could be wrong, but it >>> feels this way). This doesn't have to be the case and we could >>> definitely open ourselves up a bit more, but I think we have to be >>> careful how we do so and I think we have to refrain from jumping to >>> conclusions on how to fix it, i.e. licensing changes. >> Agreed. >> >>> You said it yourself, we are considered niche and elitist and I can >>> certainly think of reasons why that is. People find our use of CVS >>> out-dated. They don't understand how CVS works because they've come >>> from projects that use Subversion or Git instead and are used to >>> those. I don't think these days it's really a matter of CVS just >>> working, it may just be one of the blockers that many potential devs >>> don't feel like bothering with. Another is just people in the >>> community in general, we may not have this elitist tag for nothing ;) >>> >> Well, as with the license issue, I cannot see our choice of SCMS being >> a real blocker. If someone is interesting in using/contributing to >> "E", then they will. SCMS doesn't really have anything todo with this >> IMO. I've heard you say it many times Nick...Subversion is just like >> CVS :) So if they can use Subversion, they can use CVS :P >> >> dh > > Yes, you're right, I have said that and I still think it's quite true. > I was more thinking from a pure psychological point a view though, they > just don't like using CVS because to them it's old and outdated, they > want to use the new stuff with all it's fancy technology. Git is quite > a bit different and I've never had the opportunity to play with it > enough to make a firm judgment, so I won't say much about it's usability.
Kind of how I hate to use Subversion ?? ;) Still tho, I don't see any particular SCMS being an issue really. If someone believes enough in the project, they will take the time to learn. Switching to a new SCMS, IMO, is not going to magically attract tons more developers/contributors. Same for switching licenses IMO. >> >>> I think the true failure we generally have is we will wait a long >>> time until raster has the opportunity to speak up about an issue. >>> Can we not put together a "board" of people to help make these type >>> of decisions? Have a loose vote for implementing something and go on >>> our merry way. I know we've talked about having meetings before and >>> that's never really happened, just too many people getting busy. >>> Would be nice to have some people with a clear vision for where we >>> want this project to go and then we aren't relying on a single >>> person, who happens to end up busy quite often, to make the final >>> call. In general, is it not best to just get code done and if it >>> fails to perform to our standards, it gets >>> replaced/removed/modified? At least something got done and if at >>> least 50% of this code is useful are we not ahead of where we would >>> have been had no one taken the initiative? Now this could go south >>> and we could get a bunch of crappy code, but I don't think that will >>> happen with the community we have. If we instill the vision on every >>> developer who comes along instead of dumping their ideas in the trash >>> we may just build a bigger community that can help us achieve what >>> we've longed to achieve. >>> >>> I'm still new around here compared to other devs, but I think I'm >>> somewhere between the old and the new group which gives me an >>> interesting perspective :) Putting on my flame suit now, do your worst. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
