Carsten wrote:
> ok. enough of the squabbling. e is not a political football. license is not a
> reason one way or another for success or failure if licenses are oss anyway.
> we're squabbling about strawberry vs chocolate.
>
>
That's no doubt true as a rule on any given project, but statistics
show that gpl/lgpl code and developers outnumber bsd ones by orders of
magnitude. Your feelings on it are a bit subjective, and so might those of
others who prefer some other license, but that's a fact that should be
recognized, not a squabble.
> here's how it will go:
>
> 1. existing libs. the LGPL crowd - RESPECT the licenses already used. deal
> with it. the original authors chose the licenses. don't like it? go somewhere
> else. this is what pretty much every oss project will say - except for very
> small ones.
>
> 2. new libs. he who writes and licenses the lib initially makes the license
> call. if its LGPL or BSD - doesn't matter. but RESPECT their choice. just like
> they need to RESPECT the choices of existing libs and stop trying to change
> them.
>
>
No one proposing either licensing their work as lgpl, or even just asking
for other's views on a possible change, has disrespected any author -- not as
far
as I can see.
> 3. new apps. same as libs - choose your license. BEWARE of GPL though. you
> CANNOT take the GPL code and put it into an LGPL lib - so if you see code
> going
> from app back to a lib sometime... think many times before GPL. licence the
> APP
> under LGPL - it'd be effectively the same.
>
> 4. linking TO LGPL libs is ok - we do it already anyway.
>
> 5. linking to GPL libs - be WARY. very. this makes your lib GPL and then any
> app using that lib GPL. beware of the chain of "infection". if you want it a
> core lib used by everyone - chances are this is a very bad idea.
>
> i'm a little tired of the divisive political debating here. this is NOT a
> technical argument. it id not something u can win by benchmarking, numbers and
> proof. it's all emotions, speculation and politics. please take your politics
> elsewhere as this is the one thing that is really going to destroy this
> community if anything. i know i am personally ->||<- this far from saying
> "fuck
> it - i'm out. if this is becoming a political playground i have better things
> to do that deal with it".
>
> now. make your choices. but enough of the politics.
>
> debate is healthy - technical debate. direction for features and code and
> technical stuff. we can always debate. its good. politics is nothing more than
> a way to divide and create little power encampments "us" and "them".
>
> i have been very quiet - i was hoping people would sort their difference out
> quietly, but it seems i need to say something. i think i have been very
> reasonable here and have tried to accommodate BOTH sides. i see the arguments
> for LGPL etc. and i know why. i respect the desire for it - and when it is
> appropriate and sane/possible - if the author(s) want to use it, do so. by the
> same token respect the licenses there already. if 1 author for a project says
> "no - i wont relicence" or 1 authors alone simply never responds, it doesnt
> get
> relicenced. in fact the debate and effort spent relicencing is a big waste of
>
Again, no one tried to force or impose changing any existing license
on a project agaisnt anyone's wishes... some did ask, but that's neither
disrespect nor intolerance. But also note that bsd does explicitly champion
the right to relicense the code.. that's part of the very thing many have
defended here as their reason for choosing such a license.
> time. so again - there are 2 valid sides to this. respect EACHOTHER.
>
Indeed, well said.
> thanks. :)
>
> now... do we have productive stuff to do?
>
Argue some more, call each other names.. then go out for a beer
or reasonably priced meal?
:)
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