Andddd we've already heard your arguments, case closed now get to work! We've already lost time, members and devs due to this ridiculous debate.
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Carsten wrote: > > > ok. enough of the squabbling. e is not a political football. license is > not a > > reason one way or another for success or failure if licenses are oss > anyway. > > we're squabbling about strawberry vs chocolate. > > > > > > That's no doubt true as a rule on any given project, but statistics > show that gpl/lgpl code and developers outnumber bsd ones by orders of > magnitude. Your feelings on it are a bit subjective, and so might those of > others who prefer some other license, but that's a fact that should be > recognized, not a squabble. > > > > here's how it will go: > > > > 1. existing libs. the LGPL crowd - RESPECT the licenses already used. > deal > > with it. the original authors chose the licenses. don't like it? go > somewhere > > else. this is what pretty much every oss project will say - except for > very > > small ones. > > > > 2. new libs. he who writes and licenses the lib initially makes the > license > > call. if its LGPL or BSD - doesn't matter. but RESPECT their choice. just > like > > they need to RESPECT the choices of existing libs and stop trying to > change > > them. > > > > > No one proposing either licensing their work as lgpl, or even just > asking > for other's views on a possible change, has disrespected any author -- not > as far > as I can see. > > > > 3. new apps. same as libs - choose your license. BEWARE of GPL though. > you > > CANNOT take the GPL code and put it into an LGPL lib - so if you see code > going > > from app back to a lib sometime... think many times before GPL. licence > the APP > > under LGPL - it'd be effectively the same. > > > > 4. linking TO LGPL libs is ok - we do it already anyway. > > > > 5. linking to GPL libs - be WARY. very. this makes your lib GPL and then > any > > app using that lib GPL. beware of the chain of "infection". if you want > it a > > core lib used by everyone - chances are this is a very bad idea. > > > > i'm a little tired of the divisive political debating here. this is NOT a > > technical argument. it id not something u can win by benchmarking, > numbers and > > proof. it's all emotions, speculation and politics. please take your > politics > > elsewhere as this is the one thing that is really going to destroy this > > community if anything. i know i am personally ->||<- this far from saying > "fuck > > it - i'm out. if this is becoming a political playground i have better > things > > to do that deal with it". > > > > now. make your choices. but enough of the politics. > > > > debate is healthy - technical debate. direction for features and code and > > technical stuff. we can always debate. its good. politics is nothing more > than > > a way to divide and create little power encampments "us" and "them". > > > > i have been very quiet - i was hoping people would sort their difference > out > > quietly, but it seems i need to say something. i think i have been very > > reasonable here and have tried to accommodate BOTH sides. i see the > arguments > > for LGPL etc. and i know why. i respect the desire for it - and when it > is > > appropriate and sane/possible - if the author(s) want to use it, do so. > by the > > same token respect the licenses there already. if 1 author for a project > says > > "no - i wont relicence" or 1 authors alone simply never responds, it > doesnt get > > relicenced. in fact the debate and effort spent relicencing is a big > waste of > > > > Again, no one tried to force or impose changing any existing license > on a project agaisnt anyone's wishes... some did ask, but that's neither > disrespect nor intolerance. But also note that bsd does explicitly champion > the right to relicense the code.. that's part of the very thing many have > defended here as their reason for choosing such a license. > > > > time. so again - there are 2 valid sides to this. respect EACHOTHER. > > > > Indeed, well said. > > > > thanks. :) > > > > now... do we have productive stuff to do? > > > > Argue some more, call each other names.. then go out for a beer > or reasonably priced meal? > :) > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get expert advice on your inheritance. 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