On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:47 AM, David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:27:59 +0300 Viktor Kojouharov > <vkojouha...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 4:50 PM, David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:45:17 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) >> > <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: >> > >> > > On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:19:55 +1000 David Seikel >> > > <onef...@gmail.com> said: >> > > >> > > > On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:04:19 +0100 Stefan Schmidt >> > > > <s.schm...@samsung.com> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Hello. >> > > > > >> > > > > On 06/19/2012 12:44 PM, David Seikel wrote: >> > > > > > On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:37:37 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The >> > > > > > Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> no - i dont want that. i want to do something more like >> > > > > >> wp2. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > What's wp2? >> > > > > >> > > > > I think he refers to wallpaper 2. Settings -> Wallpaper 2 >> > > > > from the menu. >> > > > >> > > > Which is nice to have as an option, but does not do all the >> > > > things tabs can do. So it's not a replacement for tabs. >> > > >> > > does what tabs do when u bring it up. in fact its better as u get >> > > full previews. i dont plan on making any regular tabs. >> > >> > It's the "when you bring it up" part that's the problem. Tabs don't >> > need to be "brought up" to show you the info they display. You >> > don't have to do anything to keep an eye on programs that change >> > the tab text to show you progress or something important other than >> > look up (on the tabs that's not the one you are using right now). >> > You don't have to do anything to see which tab is which when you >> > carefully name them. This is not better for those uses of tabs. >> > It hides the info you want to see at a glance and makes it a >> > separate step to get to that info. >> > >> > Most of my terminal tabs are running MC, some on the same >> > directories, they will look identical or almost identical in a >> > thumbnail that's small enough to show them all. That's not gonna >> > help me at all. >> > >> > Doing something different is good, it's just not "better" if it >> > removes useful functionality. Your idea is good, it just removes >> > useful functionality that is provided with tabs. It's no >> > substitute for tabs, it's something completely different. >> > >> > >> The tabs themselves aren't very useful either. All they do is show the >> terminal title, which is useless most of the time, so you wont be >> able to differentiate between them if you just sat down in front of >> that terminal for the first time. At the end of the day, most of us >> probably use hotkeys to jump between tabs, and that will work just as >> well in a wp2 context. > > You don't quite understand what I'm saying. Those terminal titles in > the tabs is EXACTLY the functionality that would be missed. They > contain information that is useful some times to some people. That > information is useful coz it's there to be seen at a glance. That > information can be changed by the program running on that terminal. It > may be very important to someone to see that information when it > changes, and not have to do something to show the information. > > Just coz you don't use it and think it's useless, does not mean others > think it''as useless. > > Tabs provide two basic functions, one is to change to another > terminal. I'm fine with that being done in this wp2 style. The other > is to provide useful information at a glance, without having to do > anything other than look. That's the useful functionality that will be > missing. That's the functionality that some people need. That's why > we need tabs. > > Not doing tabs is throwing the baby out with the bath water.
I'm all with you here. But I'm far from reaching a consensus with raster on every part of the gui, let's make the basics work and get the multi-instance/tab/window working. Then make it a lib and we can create our own chrome to it... no video, plain boring tabs, simpler config would do very well for me :-) by 'plain boring tabs' I mean about the visual. I want them to be detachable to new windows and movable, so I can shift them in the tab bar. I also want to integrate bells to the tab, so I can be notified when emerge saw something that I should pay attention, or IRC... etc -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -------------------------------------- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
