On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Maxime Villard <rusty...@gmx.fr> wrote:
> Le 18/12/2012 00:15, Vincent Torri a écrit : > > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Maxime Villard <rusty...@gmx.fr> wrote: > >> > Le 17/12/2012 01:10, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit : > >>> >> the reasons are many but here are some: > >>> >> > >>> >> 1. devs are almost all on linux... so guess what? they support the > os they work > >>> >> on. > >>> >> 2. frankly linux has much more momentum than the bsd's (excluding > osx as you > >>> >> say) and that lead as i see is only increasing. > >>> >> 3. the only other really "relevant" platforms are probably osx and > windows. both > >>> >> of these can be dealt with. yes i know about psl1ght and many other > more niche > >>> >> users. evil is there to fill in gaps for windows. it can provide shm > >>> >> _open by opening a file on disk and mmaping it like it already > does. if there > >>> >> is an ability to force a file in windows to never be flushed to > disk unless > >>> >> memory pressure would force it to be swapped out to the pagefile - > then this is > >>> >> effectively the same behaviour... except it survivies a reboot. for > osx - if > >>> >> there is a tmpfs that lives in ram, an shm_open can be provided > that redirects > >>> >> to there. i don't know if there is - no osx. > >>> >> 4. for decades linux users have been at the bad end of the stick > with people > >>> >> simply saying "well be posix compliant! make your own drivers" we > won't support > >>> >> you!"... the tables are turning. slowly - in bits and pieces. and > most linux > >>> >> users/devs are of the mindset of "we had to support oursevles for > years... and > >>> >> so we did. time you did the same". :) > >>> >> > >>> >> the issues on the most part can be solved. the problem is that for > the vast > >>> >> number of the core devs.. it's not THEIR issue (with some > exceptions - yes > >>> >> vincent... :) i know :)). ecore-extn was optionally compileable > before because i > >>> >> know it uses shm_open and so i made it an option. it also brought > in ecore-con > >>> >> and ecore-ipc. these options are going away now though, so the > problem is no > >>> >> longer going to be avoided. cserve2 - similar story. we've had > cserve for years > >>> >> now and no one uses it - it was optional. cserve2 will become > mandatory > >>> >> because it NEEDS to be tested and exercised en-masse. without > something like > >>> >> cserve2 - we will bloat out badly if people write actual efl APPS. > cserve2 is > >>> >> there to help contain that bloat before it begins. people are > already writing > >>> >> efl apps, so it solves and existing problem anyway. the issues just > need > >>> >> solving. in both the eore-extn code and in cserve2, the > shm_open/mmap stuff is > >>> >> encapsulated and easy to replace etc. - it just has not been > because of the > >>> >> above. the devs all have systems that have shm_open... so its not a > priority > >>> >> for us and your todo lists are forever full. example. there is a > case with > >>> >> ecore-extn where u can easly get a lock deadlock if you use it in a > certain > >>> >> way. reality is people do use it that way and that problem is by > far more > >>> >> important to me than shm_open stuff. :) > >> > > >> > So, excepted me, nobody uses and feels concerned by BSD's ? > > they don't care about other OSs. They work exclusively on linux and > > don't even try to think about other OSs. It implies that a port for > > another OS than linux has to implement very bad hacks and a ton of > > work, like i did for Windows, to try to *mimic* what is done with > > linux. > > > > Vincent > > > As far as I'm concerned, I already sent a lot of patches to support > BSD's. > > I'm busy the week, but free the week-end. The w-e, I send patches and > I have to wait, wait, wait, ... and to resend a mail two weeks later > only to know if someone gives a fuck; and then I have to convince the > person who cares - if there is one - to commit that patch, which at > last gets committed if another one is not needed because of a change > in the concerned file during these 2 weeks. > > Now there is still no full BSD support, and e will probably released > without it. Seriously ? > > hey now, I spend every second of my day at work reading through trac tickets and trying to fix bugs. I NEVER see you file tickets, which is how you know I get to issues. I flag your mails to read, sometimes I don't get to them or I forget. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
