Le 18/12/2012 00:15, Vincent Torri a écrit : > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Maxime Villard <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Le 17/12/2012 01:10, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit : >>> >> the reasons are many but here are some: >>> >> >>> >> 1. devs are almost all on linux... so guess what? they support the os >>> >> they work >>> >> on. >>> >> 2. frankly linux has much more momentum than the bsd's (excluding osx as >>> >> you >>> >> say) and that lead as i see is only increasing. >>> >> 3. the only other really "relevant" platforms are probably osx and >>> >> windows. both >>> >> of these can be dealt with. yes i know about psl1ght and many other more >>> >> niche >>> >> users. evil is there to fill in gaps for windows. it can provide shm >>> >> _open by opening a file on disk and mmaping it like it already does. if >>> >> there >>> >> is an ability to force a file in windows to never be flushed to disk >>> >> unless >>> >> memory pressure would force it to be swapped out to the pagefile - then >>> >> this is >>> >> effectively the same behaviour... except it survivies a reboot. for osx >>> >> - if >>> >> there is a tmpfs that lives in ram, an shm_open can be provided that >>> >> redirects >>> >> to there. i don't know if there is - no osx. >>> >> 4. for decades linux users have been at the bad end of the stick with >>> >> people >>> >> simply saying "well be posix compliant! make your own drivers" we won't >>> >> support >>> >> you!"... the tables are turning. slowly - in bits and pieces. and most >>> >> linux >>> >> users/devs are of the mindset of "we had to support oursevles for >>> >> years... and >>> >> so we did. time you did the same". :) >>> >> >>> >> the issues on the most part can be solved. the problem is that for the >>> >> vast >>> >> number of the core devs.. it's not THEIR issue (with some exceptions - >>> >> yes >>> >> vincent... :) i know :)). ecore-extn was optionally compileable before >>> >> because i >>> >> know it uses shm_open and so i made it an option. it also brought in >>> >> ecore-con >>> >> and ecore-ipc. these options are going away now though, so the problem >>> >> is no >>> >> longer going to be avoided. cserve2 - similar story. we've had cserve >>> >> for years >>> >> now and no one uses it - it was optional. cserve2 will become mandatory >>> >> because it NEEDS to be tested and exercised en-masse. without something >>> >> like >>> >> cserve2 - we will bloat out badly if people write actual efl APPS. >>> >> cserve2 is >>> >> there to help contain that bloat before it begins. people are already >>> >> writing >>> >> efl apps, so it solves and existing problem anyway. the issues just need >>> >> solving. in both the eore-extn code and in cserve2, the shm_open/mmap >>> >> stuff is >>> >> encapsulated and easy to replace etc. - it just has not been because of >>> >> the >>> >> above. the devs all have systems that have shm_open... so its not a >>> >> priority >>> >> for us and your todo lists are forever full. example. there is a case >>> >> with >>> >> ecore-extn where u can easly get a lock deadlock if you use it in a >>> >> certain >>> >> way. reality is people do use it that way and that problem is by far more >>> >> important to me than shm_open stuff. :) >> > >> > So, excepted me, nobody uses and feels concerned by BSD's ? > they don't care about other OSs. They work exclusively on linux and > don't even try to think about other OSs. It implies that a port for > another OS than linux has to implement very bad hacks and a ton of > work, like i did for Windows, to try to *mimic* what is done with > linux. > > Vincent
As far as I'm concerned, I already sent a lot of patches to support BSD's. I'm busy the week, but free the week-end. The w-e, I send patches and I have to wait, wait, wait, ... and to resend a mail two weeks later only to know if someone gives a fuck; and then I have to convince the person who cares - if there is one - to commit that patch, which at last gets committed if another one is not needed because of a change in the concerned file during these 2 weeks. Now there is still no full BSD support, and e will probably released without it. Seriously ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
