On 08/04/2016 02:57 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 15:16:03 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> said: > >> On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 14:00:01 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) >> <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 13:23:33 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> >>> said: >>> >>>> On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 11:29:50 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) >>>> <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> one thing with your evas 3d usage... it's not real/useful to >>>>> anyone else. if you made open source tools/apps that were easily >>>>> usable and downloadable (without needing special accounts you >>>>> have to pay for e.g second life) then you would be >>>>> interesting/relevant. >>>>> >>>>> let me give you a sample: >>>>> >>>>> if you made a really nice world clock app for seeing world >>>>> timezones, selecting yours, setting date/time etc. that even did >>>>> sexy stuff like used topological maps of the world so when you >>>>> zoom into an area you get some mountains/hills and so on... and >>>>> this was part of e's settings tools or clock tool with calendar >>>>> etc. ... well then that'd be really cool and useful to LOTs of >>>>> people and accessible to everyone. :) just saying. you're emails >>>>> are "i'm working on this thing.. here on my hard drive... it does >>>>> x/y/z and will do x/y/z". that's not REAL to anyone. it's not >>>>> accessible. it's not used daily thus important. :) you want evas >>>>> 3d to be useful to your BIGGER projects you do like this, do some >>>>> smaller ones out the front that people see and use daily. :) >>>> >>>> Er, my project is for Second Life, OpenSim, AND an alternative to >>>> both, and is on Github. Your arguments are invalid. Hell, my >>>> general idea is to make server side so efficient that by default, >>>> anyone can run their own little server to invite their friends to, >>>> even on their phone. I'm trying to open up 3D virtual worlds to >>>> the masses. >>> >>> "that are easily downloadable and usable without special accounts". >>> someone has to set up a server, run it, need accounts, etc. is it a >>> tool readily usable out of the box that people actually will need/use >>> regularly. a secondlife or quivalent is not. a terminal is. a wm is. >>> a web browser is. ... if someone has to set up a server themselves or >>> register accounts somewhere else at all you just failed the "useful >>> to anyone" :) >> >> If you read SledjHamr.org, you'll see I have taken all of that into >> account. Now you are just making up excuses to ignore me. > > count the number of people here participating in any virtual world. they use > terminals. email clients. wm's. the number of people involved in virtual > worlds > who would even look is small at best. perhaps you don't like it, but i'm > trying > to tell you that the reason no one is paying attention is you do not have > something they want. maybe others do, but no one here working on efl or e or > core users etc. is. or almost no one. if they were, then you wouldnt be a > periphery thing. i am not saying your work is bad or its stupid or anything. > i'm saying that expecting relevance is dependent on things being relevant to > others. if efl breaks terminology then that break becomes relevant because > LOTs > of people use it here and even elsewhere. but especially here. if evas_3d was > being used in e for eg 3d cube desktop switching effects... it'd be relevant > to > a whole lot of people immediately. > > i'm not even going to look at those projects because the premise of them as a > virtual world is not interesting or relevant to me. it is to you and that's > great. not to me. and if you go around wondering why they are not paying > attention then this is the primary reason. you have to have things in common > that make the things you want be relevant. :) i'm trying to help you here by > pointing out that to help the project you care about, you may have to do other > side projects that have relevance to others to bring that to the fore. :) >
A gadget to display models of parts of virtual worlds inside E would be pretty interesting maybe. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adeliade Australia, UTC+9:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B
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